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Which do you think is worse... Vietnam or Iraq?

Which do you think is worse... Vietnam or America's war in Iraq?  Do you think there will be peace in Iraq anytime soon?  If so, how?  What do you think that we should be looking for the next President of the USA to do regarding Iraq?



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The war in Iraq is worse. In Vietnam, America dealt with one nation, but Iraq is a different story. It's a war of cultures which involves not only political issues but religion and cultural as well.  We must not forget that Iraq has many domestic problems between Sunni and Shi'ite Muslims. Just getting out of there won't do any good.

 
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We have very good cause to be in iraq. We killed an evil dictator, just like we killed hitler which i never hear anyone say was a bad idea. We established a democratic society over there (more freedom for everybody, who doesn't like freedom). We made a new ally in the middle east who will help us protect our other allies isreal, saudi arabia, turkey, and u.S. Embassies. We are finding and killing terrorist at a higher and faster rate than ever before (people who have been on the f.B.I.S most wanted for years). Withen maybe 5-10 years we can wipe out all resistance within the boarders of iraq, and they will be a functioning muslim democratic community like turkey. Turkey is the model of what we are trying to acheive in iraq, and it will take some time.

The war in vietnam was fought by drafted americans who did not support the idea of going there. The citizens of this country were told that wew were fighting the spread of communism, but there were much bigger threats we could have been concerning ourselves with if that were really the case (russia=bigger china-bigger cuba=closer). We had helped ho chi man set up his regiem take controll of vietnam, becuase we wanted (and still need) more allies in asia. Previouse to our helping ho chi man vietnam was alway ran and owned by white europian countries (mostley france). The real reason we went to vietnam was because france (an already established and long time ally of america) asked us to go there and undo what we did so that they could take controll again, add to this a booming plastics industry (fueled by rubber trees which can be found in vietnam) and a president who is heavily invested in a company that makes helicopters for the military and despite that presidents (linden b. Johnson) very own words ("i will not send american boys to go over there and fight and die for a country that does not want them there") we were in buisness. Ofcourse we had no idea what we were doing. The soldiers who didn't want to be there turned to drugs (another profitable commodity found in asia) for escape, they could not find the enemy as the did not wear uniforms or fight in a traditional war style, they could not navigate through the jungles because america had not tried to do this before. Many soldier went crazy and masacred innocent people. It was the most unthoughtout pointless and ugly war this country has ever faced and the only war weve ever lost. When we retreated we left our pow's and mia's behind, and where is our great ally in france now? Offering no support!!! I think it is pretty clear which is a better war and which is a better administration. Thank god a Republican...Richard nixon. Came along and ended it when he did. Republicans always no what to do when it comes to important matters like war.

 

ALL ABOUT THE FEAR 

Potato / potahto -- both wars have so many similarites, it's like saying which is worse, cancer of AIDS? The reasons we entered Vietnam are complex but the main reason, at least publicly, was to stop the spread of Communism to end the "Domino Theory" of one country after another being taken over by the the godless Commies. That FEAR of communism and the then evil Russians and Chinese leads me to a similarity to today's FEAR -- fear of the terrorists, i.e., Al Qaeda who hate the freedoms and open society that we enjoy. They really hate our culture of sex and drugs and rock and roll, if you get my drift. But it was the FEAR generated by the 9/11 attack that was used to get us into Iraq (Remember all the patriotic flags in plastic holders on car window? The non-existent WMD's, another FEAR ploy, played perfectly into the sale (by Bush, Cheney & Co.) of the current war.

Both wars are/were quagmires with no way out because we didn't know what we were getting into, i.e. the culture and political history, of either nation, so we don't know how to fight, who to fight, or even why we're there anymore.

 One big difference is that today's army, more and more, are mercenaries, whether they are US soldiers with incentives to get them to sign on (fewer and fewer Americans want to die for nothing), or Blackwater and Blackwater-style actual mercenaries; whereas, in Nam it was largely people who were drafted, many of whom did not want to be there. It's also why the anti-war sentiment was so strong. When the privileged Jenna Bushes of the US get drafted, there are then people with power who start questioning the war. 

 I'll leave it at that for now, but compared to other wars, Iraq is more similar to Vietnam than different. The button I wear says, "Is it Vietnam yet?" Of course the implied answer is yes, and by extension here we are again in yet another "terrible jam, way down yonder in Vietnam," with no way out. That's because Congress and the American people were blinded by 9/11 and got behind this mess because of FEAR, not thought. 

 
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thank god for those think come to logic conclusions and scare us into doing the smart thing. scare those morons scare 'em into protecting themselves!!!

 
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My name is Max Stout.

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Bullets still pierce flesh to wound and kill. Mines still explode killing women and children. Aircraft strafing people and their rockets and bombs still kill, maim and destroy. It's different for some but all too much the same for others. There are wars and massacres all over this planet at all times. Politically different perhaps, but oh what a bottom line!

I suppose I drifted off topic a bit.

How to prevent suffering.

Now that's the gig to play.

 

Max

 

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