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Too strict? Or just abusive?

Last night i'm dropping my son at home with his mother, he had been staying with me over the holiday weekend, his mother being out of town.  When we arrive my son's friend is there at the doorstep; He was waiting for us to get home and tells us that hes been there sleeping on the porch since friday.  The boy is the same age as my son, 16, and has been going through difficulties with his father since Christmas, i have only been told a little about the situation, so i ask what happened.

 

Apparently the boy's curfew is 6:00 pm and when he was 15 minutes late the boy's father locked him out.  I asked if he had spoken to him at all, and he tells me no.  My son who has been concerned about him tells me that this happens all the time and so my heart goes out to him, i tell him that he can stay with us but that he needs to call his dad to tell him where he is and what is going on. 

 

The boy says that he can't call him because he has caller id and apparently he is on restriction from visiting my boy's house, so i hand him my phone and he asks me who he should say he is with.  feeling that it was harmless at the time, and wanting the boy to call i told him to say he's at some kids name i grabbed out of the air.  He calls and his father says that he can come home. 

 

I talked to the boy about the parents and the rules we put down sometimes are rough, but he needs to obey his father.  The boy goes home but asks if he could stay if things didn't work out, and i affirm my earlier invitation. 

 

10 minutes later the boy's father calls me upset, he tells me that his son informed him that he is moving in with us and that he has been looking for the boy since friday and has called the police in concern.  The father continues to explain that he is strict, that the boy is with him because of his unmanageability with his mother, and that the boy's friends parents come to his house wondering why the hell he is locking his son out of the house.  The father then says, in every instance none of these parents bothered to call him and talk to him about the situation, instead they 'buy into' the boy's mistreatment one sided.  he asks me why would grown adults believe a 16 year old kid without even checking the story out? 

 

I realised i too was just as guilty of beleiving the story without hearing the other, the Parent's side of the story.  TThe father claims this is untrue, the boy's curfew began at 10:00 but with each infraction of what seemed to me to be reasonable rules, he has lowered it first to 9:00 and then to 8:00 and so on.  He said the boy's punishment for being late is to take away any type of entertainment device from him, which m y son confirmed is true.

 

As we continue to talk the boy returns to my house and his father asked what the adress was so he could direct the police to pick him up, i told him and he flips out because he realises that i am my son's father and not the imaginary boy i told him to make up.  I explained the reason for my deception and also explained that his son would be coming home now. 

 

My question is this:

 

my son is upset with me because he feels that i turned my back on his freind.  i explained to him that it wasn't our place to sit on a throne and slam a gavel about how this man raises his kids.  I said that the police keep getting involved and that if the man was out of bounds legally with his parental methods than the police would assess the situatiom and do what is right. 

 

But am i right?  I don't want to turn my back on this boy, but if his father doesn't want his son to hang out at my son's house(which i can understand, there are times during the day when there is very little supervision) than i have to respect the man's wishes, and convince my son that to be this boy's friend he should encourage him to keep his nose to the grindstone, finish school and in two years he can move out.  The alternative is that he runaway and get arrested, then there goes school, etc.  To help him runaway would be wrong.  but in my heart i know that the boy probably did sleep on my son's porch and maybe he did not call home, but the boy's house is very close, close enough that the father could have found him. 

 

Help...i'm not the type of person to stick my nose into things, but sometimes you have to, don't you?

i'm doing what i feel is best for my son and the boy but is it the right thing? 

Emancipation laws in this state require the boy to live for four months on his own, i told him i could find him a job and since school is out pretty soon that he could stay with us and pay a small amount of rent to prove hes responsible, i would return the money to him next fall and then he could minimize his hours, continue school and pursue emancipation.  But only if he proposes it to his father and his father agrees.  I also told him that if after he proposes it and his father is unwilling to be reasonable about it that i would call him up, having made a small rapport with the man i could try to help him. 

But is that right? 

 

 

 


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Turn off the television and teach your children how to think.

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I do not think you are wrong. Your son will learn that there are gray areas in life and that you sometimes must step through those gray areas in order to get to the 'right or wrong' side.

Meanwhile, here's what I propose: Since you believe you may have developed a small rapport with this boy's father, call and ask if you and he can meet on neutral territory, without your sons.

If he agrees, that will give you an opportunity to listen to his story and offer suggestions for resolution.

When you do, be sure to use the 'I' format instead of the 'you.' What I mean by that is, don't say "You should punish your son by ..." but instead say, "I think you've tried everything; now maybe you could ..."

This is because a 'you' statement immediately puts people on the defensive and they tend to close off and stop listening, whereas an 'I' statement leaves them more relaxed because it is more of a 'sharing experiences and thoughts' kind of statement.

If the other dad will not agree to meet with you, then the next best thing for you to do is to offer an apology to him for intruding and leave the door open for him to contact you for a listening ear and moral support any time he needs it. If you are both single fathers, then he may very well come to feel that he would like to speak to you at some point (after he's had time to get over his frustration).

In the meantime, perhaps your son and his friend could look for part time jobs where they could both work on the same schedule so they could spend time together. If they share similar interests, extracurricular activities could accomplish the same thing.

Additionally, if you do have further contact with your son's friend, please continue to impress upon him that he must earn his father's trust and respect. If he has lost that by his actions, then leaving is not the answer; the answer is to work to get his father's trust and respect back by following the rules and being mature enough to discuss solutions as well as actions and their consequences.

If there is actually any question of abuse (physical or emotional) then, by all means, please call the authorities. Such a call can be made anonymously and no one will be allowed to know who made the report.

Good luck to all of you. 

Posted 2009-05-26T17:58:33Z
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Smokey Snotsbear

beanavy, such a complicated situation...you are wise to think it out without acting too impulsively as there are times WE, as people get into things following our heart and thinking it's the right thing to do and WE end up on the short end of the stick. Due to the fact that I have to think my answer through on this one other than what I have said, I will tell you that jkgrandma gives her all to help people.

Posted 2009-05-26T18:05:18Z
 
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Please adopt a pet. We need you!

Sparky SnotsLicker. Charter Member of S.N.O.T.S.

I am a free spirit who is grateful for my life and freedom...today.

Christine Burgess

 

jkgrandma,  Thanks for commenting so fast.  I knew you were one of the best people for this question.

Sparky's Mom

Posted 2009-05-26T18:09:40Z
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Turn off the television and teach your children how to think.

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*I do not read or write anything in the "Comments" section.*

 

Thanks for the invite, Sparky. After I replied, I realized his name seemed familiar, so I checked back and I had answered one of his questions a month or more ago.

Hope everything works out well for everybody.

Again, thanks for the invite! You and Sparky (the furry one) seem to have a knack for ferreting out the important questions.

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Please adopt a pet. We need you!

Sparky SnotsLicker. Charter Member of S.N.O.T.S.

I am a free spirit who is grateful for my life and freedom...today.

Christine Burgess

 

Jkgrandma,  and you are the best at answering the important questions.  Yedda, and the whole world, are lucky to have you.

Sparky's Mom

Posted 2009-05-26T18:19:59Z
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Smokey Snotsbear

While this has nothing to do with the question, I feel the need to ask this...Are you the original Sparky and are now signing yourself as Sparky's Mom. I don't get it.

 
288 helpful answers

Please adopt a pet. We need you!

Sparky SnotsLicker. Charter Member of S.N.O.T.S.

I am a free spirit who is grateful for my life and freedom...today.

Christine Burgess

 

Donna aka Maya, Yes this is Sparky.  Sparky is my little terrier.  I have been signing my name as Sparky's Mom as I have had some problems, and I am trying to turn over a new leaf.  I have sent private messages to the people I was rude to and apologized to them.  They are wonderful, forgiving people.  I apologized to certain people who never did a bad thing to me.  So, all is well with the world.  By the way,  I saw your Easter video.  You are a nice looking woman.  Your brother is cute too. 

Sparky's Mom

 

Posted 2009-05-27T02:02:01Z
 
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Smokey Snotsbear

Ok Sparky's Mom, I understand. My icon changed from the Yedda's nurse image with stethescope around head to black bear in tree (cuz I like them) and my name changed from Maya to Donna. Then there was another Donna that came onto Yedda so I changed it to Donna Lynne. This confused some people so I put Donna AKA Maya. Thank you for the compliment on the video. It was filmed on a cell phone camera.

Posted 2009-05-27T10:16:12Z

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