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"GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS"

 

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Subject: In reply to your request to sign on to the Health Care Initiative

A.

As an American, concerned with and for America, NOT a party, an agenda, or a particular politician, I beg you to please use your god given brain to think about what it is you are advocating. Please remember that what you and I are discussing has yet to be fully disclosed to us. We are discussing for and against an unknown. Just the concepts that have been handed down to us by those with an agenda.


We both agree that Health Care, needs reform. It needs an overhaul, but not at the price, the unaffordable price that the current legislation is going to cost. At least the projected cost of what has been shown us to date. This is your future, these are your dollars, this is the legacy that you will have to live with. Trust me when I say the path you are choosing is flawed.


Massive change, equals massive disruption. Massive power, equals massive corruption. We as Americans cannot afford to have the foxes watching the chickens. It never has, and never will work. The foxes get fat, (for a while) then the chickens get consumed. As a result the foxes die of starvation. It is a cycle of life that is doomed from the start. No belief in political rhetoric is going to change the axiom.


To be ideologically involved is a wonderful thing. To be ideologic without using logic in this debate is simply to become someone's political pawn. This is moronic at best.


America has and will continue to be great because of one underlying principle. That principle is the separation of powers which our forefathers had the foresight to employ in our founding documents. What does this do. It simply keeps the balance of power in check. If power is kept in check then this ship, this America, this country will continue to flourish and lead the world with innovation and compassion. Don't get me wrong, sometimes we screw it up. It is not perfect, but the overall larger result has been to better this world even with the mistakes. Our ship needs to remain upright.


It is my belief that this current administration wants to upset this balance. They want unprecedented control. What does this mean for you, and your future if we allow this to happen? What does this mean for your children? What does this mean for the World that has quite frankly looked to the United States as the savior of freedom, and guardian of peace? Look back at your history and ask yourself, "Where would I be if my country had not taken the steps it did against Hitler. Against Japan. Against the Russians. And now, against radical Islamic factions that want to strip you not only your way of life, but most likely your life itself. Where would I be now if we as a Nation had gone down a path of one party rule with no separation of powers. Just look at your history of the nations that have followed this course. This is all I ask of you, and that is to open your eyes and see what has occurred throughout history. It is not magic. Just a reality check on how truly great OUR America is because of the foresight of these founding principles.


I know what you are thinking. It sure is a far stretch from Health Care to Fundamental Islamic factions. However, I will point out to you that it is ALL  part of the same connection. The connection is simple. The connection is our sovereign government, and its ability to choose, not through a single source of knowledge or rule, but through the multiple layers of individual and collective thoughts that have been created. A process that, as stated has not been perfect, but has proven through the ages to be functionally correct a majority of the time. To be blunt, a tract record that is not open for debate, as the results cannot be skewed by those with focused agendas. 


A. you have no clue as to who I am. I am not sure that at this point in your life if you have a clue as to who you are? I don't mean this sarcastically, but more in the light that without some of life's experiences it is hard to be fully versed in what is being thrown at us in this political debate. I am not sure anyone is or can be fully versed, no matter the age. However, with age sometimes comes a more rounded perspective. It is with this perspective that I ask you to truly look at what is being asked of you. Not by your convictions, but by the convictions of others. How are these actions going to impact those who fall under the sphere of influence and rhetoric. What is the fallout going to look like to my children? What is the fallout? Is the cost maintainable for the benefits being proposed. or, are the benefits being proposed simply a ploy for those less scrupulous in a simple grab for power.This power grab is not new to history, in the past, the present, nor the future. I am simply asking you to think about these things before you sign on to a program that none of us truly knows the magnitude, or the scope of, as they have yet to be disclosed. What I am asking you to do, as I am doing myself, is to simply think.


Have a great day, a great life.


B.
 
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ogster

"Sweet Gypsey", unlike so many, you have tried to be civil and rational.  Well done.  However, I would suggest the health care issue is not nearly so complex as we make it.  If we continue as congress has done so far, that is, fixing this, disallowing that and adding safeguards for every possible outcome, it will be incredibly complex and expensive (without improving health care).  On the other hand, if we phase in a government option (ie, a medicare-like system) the transition would be more seamless and the competition it creates for the outrageously expensive private plans will force them to clean house or perish.

 
Sweet Gypsey

ogster, thank you for the comment, but I am just the poster. The way it is right now is going to much toward a Socialist type of health care, yes we an over haul, but not the one that Obama has on the table, I will give you a taste of what was sent to me, please take a few and read it.................................................

 
 

 
Sweet Gypsey

 ogster, this did not come out with other

Why not tell your people in Congress that you don’t really agree!!!!!
"AMERICA WILL NEVER BE DESTROYED FROM T HE OUTSIDE. IF WE FALTER AND LOSE OUR FREEDOMS, IT WILL BE BECAUSE WE DESTROYED OURSELVES"
ABRAHAM  LINCOLN 
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Little gems from the Health Care Bill

Posted on Friday, July 24, 2009 4:12:23 PM by CMS
• Page 16: States that if you have insurance at the time of the bill becoming law and change, you will be required to take a similar plan.. If that is not available, you will be required to take the gov option!
• Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure!
• Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed!
• Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)
• Page 42: The "Health Choices Commissioner" will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None.
• Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.
• Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard.
• Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.
• Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (example: SEIU, UAW and ACORN)
• Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to participate in a Healthcare Exchange.
• Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Healthcare Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans)
• Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: illegal aliens
• Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan.
• Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you have no choice in the matter.
• Page 124: No company c an sue the government for price-fixing. No "judicial review" is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed.
• Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages.
• Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run public plan. No alternatives.
• Page 126: Employers MUST pay healthcare bills for part-time employees AND their families.
• Page 149: Any employer with a payroll of $400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays an 8% tax on payroll <>BR • Page 150: Any employer with a payroll of $250K-400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays a 2 to 6% tax on payroll
• Page 167: Any individual who doesnt' have acceptable healthcare (according to the government) will be taxed 2.5% of income.
• Page 170: Any NON-RESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes (Americans will pay for them).
• Page 195: Officers and employees of Government Healthcare Bureaucracy will have access to ALL American financial and personal records.
• Page 203: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax.." Yes, it really says that.
• Page 239: Bill will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors and the poor most affected."
âA C¢ Page 241: Doctors: no matter what speciality you have, you'll all be paid the same (thanks, AMA!)
• Page 253: Government sets value of doctors' time, their professional judgment, etc.
• Page 265: Government mandates and controls productivity for private healthcare industries.
• Page 268: Government regulates rental and purchase of power-driven wheelchairs.
• Page 272: Cancer patients: welcome to the wonderful world of rationing!
• Page 280: Hospitals will be penalized for what the government deems preventable re-admissions.
• Page 298: Doctors: if you treat a patient during an initial admission that results in a readmission, you will be penalized by the government.
• Page 317: Doctors: you are now prohibited for owning and investing in healthcare companies!
• Page 318: Prohibition on hospital expansion. Hospitals cannot expand without government approval.
• Page 321: Hospital expansion hinges on "community" input: in other words, yet another payoff for ACORN.
• Page 335: Government mandates establishment of outcome-based measures: i.e., rationing.
• Page 341: Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans, HMOs, etc.
• Page 354: Government will restrict enrollment of SPECIAL NEEDS individuals.
• Page 379: More bureaucracy: Telehealth Advisory Committee (healthcare by phone).
• Page 425: More bureaucracy: Advance Care Planning Consult: Senior Citizens, assisted suicide, euthanasia?
• Page 425: Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. Mandatory. Appears to lock in estate taxes ahead of time.
• Page 425: Goverment provides approved list of end-of-life resources, guiding you in death.
• Page 427: Government mandates program that orders end-of-life treatment; government dictates how your life ends.
• Page 429: Advance Care Planning Consult will be used to dictate treatment as patient's health deteriorates.. This can include an ORDER for end-of-life plans. An ORDER from the GOVERNMENT.
• Page 430: Government will decide what level of treatments you may have at end-of-life.
• Page 469: Community-based Home Medical Services: more payoffs for ACORN.
• Page 472: Payments to Community-based organizations: more payoffs for ACORN.
• Page 489: Government will cover marriage and family therapy. Government intervenes in your marriage.
• Page 494: Government will cover mental health services: defining, creating and rationing those services.

 


On page 425 it says in black and white that EVERYONE on Social Security, (will include all Senior Citizens and SSI people) will go to MANDATORY counseling every 5 years to learn and to choose from ways to end your suffering (and your life).  Health care will be denied based on age.  500 Billion will be cut from Seniors healthcare.   The only way for that to happen is to drastically cut health care, the oldest and the sickest will be cut first.   Paying for your own care will not be an option. 
Now, CALL YOUR PEOPLE IN WASHINGTON !!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!! 2 Tell them to read page 425 if they don't read anything else.  Surely  some of them have parents.

 


 
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