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There is no hell as taught, do you agree?

If thou seekest her as silver, and searchest for her as for hid treasures; then shalt thou understand the fear of the Lord, and find the knowledge of God.

 

How do you take those words from God? Are you deeply involved within your heart seeking and searching? If you are not properly seeking, and not properly searching, you shall never find His truth in this life. Only with the right mind set of humility and the right tools needed can you find hid treasures. Let’s use just one piece of silver that by seeking was found.

 

“And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.”

 Now, you as one who considers themselves wise in God’s words know what Matthew is saying, right?  What is everlasting punishment? Eternal suffering in hell, correct?

 

Why is it that when many young teenagers are given a book called Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible with instructions to find hell and report on it, all will all come up with the same report that says hell is the grave? Yet with all the wisdom of men that is foolishness unto God, they come up with eternal torture with barbequed babies and everyone who does not accept Christ!! But now if you take some gruesome murderer that rapes and buries little girls alive, but accepts Christ in prison, or with his last rights prior to execution  he will live happily ever after for all eternity. Is God that little, ignorant and that cruel in your mind of wisdom?

 

Allow me to just pause right now for a word of wisdom. If you’re carnally minded you are already lost and confused as a babe in Christ, so please just retire because all that I write is strong meat for those that are of full age, and by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern good and evil, truth and non-truth. We are going to discuss far more than just Strong’s. We will look at mistranslations, misinterpretation, adjectives, nouns, context, Latin, Greek, literal, and whatever needed.  Now with no more deceived and full of pride babes to hinder our depth, we shall continue one step at a time with God as our lead.

 

Let us first examine perish from Gods point of view for a clearer picture of truth that shall teach you meanings that you never before noticed in His words.

 

In Luke chapter thirteen, Christ is talking about sinners that died while warning those whom he was talking to with the words;

 

I tell you, Nay: but except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

 

That whosoever believeth on Him should not perish, but have eternal life.

 

And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish.

 

Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.

 

But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption.

 

Perish is cessation of life. To be fully destroyed and dead. So sinners that have perished are very dead, and not being tormented in the burning flames of hell for all eternity that’s just a figment of your mind in God’s truth. Just by chance if your one that will just say they are waiting for judgment, what’s to judge? The temperature and how many worms will crawl into their eyes while their screeching in agony beyond words for trillions upon trillions of eternal years?  To me, anyone who could categorize God to be a God of torture definitely has one very shallow and carnal mind.  

 

Only through diligence with efforts and prayer through being humble will God lead you to His truths that you’re searching for as hid treasure.

 

“Everlasting punishment” is a mistranslation among many to be found throughout the words of God. And this particular one in my own heart totally belittles Our Father and Majestic God of everything seen and unseen. In actual truth it is completely beyond my deepest thought how anyone that claims the love of God could place him in thee category of a ruthless, cold blooded, sick mind that enjoys torturing billions for all of never ending eternity. That my friends, is not God, but rather only filth and lies that have been forced into your disobedient and prideful minds that have become good at absorbing untruths even with scripture to prove what is wrong.  The words that read;

 “These shall go away into everlasting punishment” should read “these shall go away into age-long pruning or age lasting chastisement.”

 

Continue for understanding.

 

The most important part of studying Gods word is to gain what is right, and what is wrong within wording, and that is because just two words can change everything about who implies them. In other words, we have a loving Father and God who is full of grace, love, kindness righteousness and promises that He keeps. But when His words are not properly translated, we out of nowhere have a ruthless god or torture with billions already screaming and billions more on their way to the god awful pits of hell full of children to the elderly in screeching pain and agony beyond comprehension of the human mind to even begin to grasp.

 

And that is how you love our Lord God?  God is love, is torture love?

 

As a mistranslation and misinterpretation, it is one which has satisfied man since the original Greek was translated into Latin. The mistranslation is of two words: "everlasting punishment", and when put in the context of the sentence, the unfortunate result is this:  “These shall go away into everlasting punishment.”  However, what is should say in originality is:  “These shall go away into age-long pruning” [or]  “age-lasting chastisement”

 

The Greek word for age is: , which is the noun from which the adjective:  (aionios) is derived. The word “aionios means “age-long”, but this word has been translated as everlasting.

 

But what word or words could have been used to denote "everlastingness"? There is the word: , an adverb = ever, always, for ever. With the article, this word was used to express un-ending-ness: (the unending time; i.e. eternity). Also: = those existing forever; i.e. the immortals. Moreover, this word: , conjoined with other words, imports into the latter the idea of non-ending. Thus: = ever-budding; = ever-sprouting; = perpetual generation - and so on.

 

Therefore, if our Lord had said what the Traditionalist translators claim i.e. "These shall pass away into everlasting punishment", then instead of saying: (These shall go away into an age-long pruning), our Lord could have said: to mean: "These shall go away into the unending vengeance or punishment" - which would have left no doubt in the mind of any person as to the signification of the intended meaning - truly and literally unending. But Matthew did not write that because our Lord did not say such a thing.

 

There is another Greek word which the New Testament writers actually have used to convey the sense of literal un-ending-ness or that which is truly everlasting. It is the word:  (aidios), an adjective derived from - ever. Consequently there can be no question as to its signification being "everlasting". This word is used to describe God's Power and Divinity in Rom.1:20, which of course are eternal and everlasting i.e. , the translation of which is given in the Revised Version as "His everlasting power and divinity".

 

The word (aidios) is commonly employed by the writers of the New Testament: = "for ever", while was a phrase employed to denote "that which exists everlastingly". Moreover, the noun formed from this word is , which is the Greek word for "Eternity". But the word employed to convey the length of time when referring to "punishment" was not (aidios) = forever = without end) but was in fact (aionios) = age-long = long but terminable period), a word which is used hundreds of times in the Bible to denote a terminable period and also in comparative literature (Josephus, the historian uses both (aidios) and  to demonstrate literal endlessness and terminable ness respectively).

 

If our Lord or the Bible writers had desired to leave no doubt concerning the mistranslated passage under question, it would have been perfectly simple to convey that unthinkable and non-Divine significance of a literal "everlasting punishment" by writing (utilizing

aidios)

 

Even supposing that the word (aionios) was to be used to convey a sense of "everlastingness" in an emphatic manner, its meaning does not denote a length of time which literally has no end. "(Aionios)" is used in the Bible to be descriptive terms for things which may perhaps exist for a relatively lengthy period but which ultimately do have an end - it is conditioned by the noun it is used with. This adjective "everlasting" is used today to emphasize a perhaps lengthy period of time by utilizing it as a metaphor in a purely allegorical sense; we utilize the word "everlasting" to describe things which are not literally everlasting. For example, it might be said: "Her fingers were worn to the bone by the everlasting toil"; or perhaps: "His thirst was unbearable on his everlasting journey through the desert". Every one knows that the word everlasting used in this sense does not literally mean everlasting - the adjective is conditioned by its associated noun. Yet the highly efficient Greek language offered the early Christian speakers and writers quite adequate adjectives to distinguish between a literal endlessness: - (aidios), and a known or unknown period which may occasionally appear relatively interminable before it is over - but which most certainly does have an end at some stage: - aionios).

 

To such poor souls in the darkness of aionion kolasin (age-long pruning) who have so crushed the Spirit within that no light may reach them, their hell might seem everlasting. But by God's most merciful provision, those who took the journey long ago and who have climbed the steep hill to God, take of what gifts and light they have made their own and seek to raise those in the darkness (but the freewill cannot be interfered with and still many refuse to face the light until further pruning and correction has taken place through suffering).

 

Etymologically, the words " aionios " and " aidios " possess a perceptible disparity because they have different roots - roots pertaining to "age": , and "for ever": , respectively. They are both used to convey the sense of lengthy periods of time, but the inference of " aionios ", because it is derived from "age", is different to that of " aidios

" because it is derived from "for ever". Even " aidios " with its sense of literal endlessness has been utilized to emphasize a point i.e. that "sinning in knowledge" has far worse consequences than "sinning in ignorance", as can be seen when this word is employed to describe the result of evolved spiritual beings sinning (Jude 6). " Aidios " can impinge upon the territory of " aionios " to emphasize a point, and in this case aidios  is as strong a metaphor as can be devised - it is used rhetorically.

 

I could spend so much time writing about history of words in the Bible that it would bring mostly confusion to those with minds unwilling to accept truth over whatever has already been planted within. Only God can draw you deeper.

 

And being made perfect, He became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey Him.

 

So with all of the words of direction written by our author of eternal salvation and directed to you, what are your actions?  Do you do the things that He says to do?

 

Do you love thy neighbor as thyself? Or a better phrase is; do you have any love at all?

Do you study to show thyself approved unto God?

Do you have your affections set on things above? And not things on the earth?

Do you trust in the Lord with all your heart, and lean not unto thine own understanding?

Do you examine yourself whether ye be in the faith?

Do you prove all things?

Do you believe all the doctrines of man even thou our author warns you of false ones?

Do take part in the traditions of man while knowing nothing of the traditions of God which are a shadow of things to come for eternity?

Do you worship God in spirit and in truth?

Do you fast? Meditate? Pray without ceasing?

Do you train up your child in the way he should go?

 

 

We all know that our God can not lie. We also know that He is perfect in every way, therefore not only is He our God of truth, but He also makes no mistakes. He knows all things, always has, and always will. He knew that Lucifer with his pride, ego, arrogance, jealousy and selfishness would turn from light to darkness and deceive one third of all the angels, therefore turning them into demons. He also knew that the creature in Genesis would be as an angel of light while deceiving Eve with smooth words to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil that was forbidden by God to eat of.  And from this, God knew that man would be born into sin with the exact same characteristics of the devil. God knew that man would kill, steal, lie, and be greedy, jealous and perverted.

 

So, if God knew man would be so horribly sinful, why was he created? Being that God can do all things, why did He not just create a far superior human race of love just to be as He Himself is?  There is an easy answer to that question for anyone spiritually minded. I understand, do you?

 

God does not reveal just how many millions or billions of years ago He created the heavens and the earth, however when it was created “the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy.”  Job 38:7

 

So, from that verse we know God’s created angels have existed since only God knows when. How much thought do you give to God and His words?  Seriously, how do you feel that you give God the honor that is required of our hearts to please Him?

 

Do you give any thoughts to the fact that He knows your every thought and intention? Do you consider Him knowing your actions?

 

 

 

 

 


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I agree.  I have always read "everlasting punishment" to mean "irreversible punishment that will never be recinded".

If people were really to be punished forever that would mean they were immortal.  We are not immortal.  God in his mercy specifically witheld that from the beginning. Will he then give immortality to everyone so he can punish them forever?  Crazy! Immortality is only a gift for those who follow Jesus.

Posted 2009-06-26T20:44:47Z
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Hello to you Nelson, when ones total life becomes one hundred percent submissive to God while fully knowing that we are as nothing without abiding in Christ, we then over a period of time acoording to His will grow very strong spiritually. Once our affections are set on things above, and not on things on the earth, we then become no longer of this world. And with that comes hard times, especially when truths you know well are 100% opposite of what the doctrins and traditions of man have pumped into th deceivd minds of billions. When we know and can prov truths that no one wants to hear of believe, we become not liked, ridiculed, judged, and whatever is not good. Great tribulation and punishment are growing near. The concentration camps are ready, the crematories are ready, marshal law is ready, terorrists cells within are ready, Satan is ready, our corrupt government is ready, and the nation is totally blind to whats coming down as the worst suffering that has ever been. There is no rapture as taught, nor do we have a God that enjoys the slow cooking eternal tortures people call the flaming fires of hell, when in truth, hell is the grave. Please go to my free website www.timsoftrouble.webs.com  have a look, and drop me a word or two via my mail. ttimesoftrouble@aol.com

Take care, and may God always guide you

Jeff

Posted 2009-06-27T00:28:19Z
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It sounds like we are on the right track.  I suggest going to a web site www.concordant.org and read the things there.

Mistranslation is the key word.  There are evil men in the world that have corrupted God's Word. 

Bob... San Jacinto, CA

Posted 2009-06-27T13:46:21Z
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Jesus Devotionals.org

Glenn Beck Blog

LanceEhrhardt Blog

Sharing my wealth and my knowledge ;)

No, there is no hell.  There is death and the grave, then the resurrection, then the "second death" as Revelation states it.

No need to defend God's Word, just release it and let it defend it's self ;)

God bless,
JesusDevotionals.org

Posted 2009-06-27T14:45:46Z
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Timesoftrouble
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My greatest strength is what few genuinely understand, which is God. My dedication to Him is my life's priority. In other words, even tho I ran out of coffee a week ago, have no food, and just survive on faith while running on empty, I pray without ceasing, meditate, study, and am not of this world spiritually and mentally. When you search for religious deception, untruth, twisted scripture, mistranslations, confusion, lies, greed, and everything else ungodly, all one has to do is any search on any biblical subject and all you will receive for your time is more confusion. timesoftroube.webs.com is my free Website with some of my writings, plus in my documents I have perhaps 30 more. I think about Africa and all of the slow and painful deaths. I think of the sadness of woman being violently raped worldwide for no reason with the damage it leaves behind. I think about gulags in China. I think about the multi millions of worthless deaths everywhere, I think about child abuse mentally, physically, and sexually. I think of all the 27000 nuclear warheads in unstable hands worldwide, I think always of only the true facts facing the soon to come fall of America and the new world order. I think of the concentration camps in the USA that are ready. Crematories are ready. FEMA is ready, Corrupt worldwide governments are ready, and uncountable settings for the final end of mankind ruling mankind is all in place, on the launch pad, and the countdown has begun according to God's clock. I see all things from God's point of view. I see horrors, women boiling the flesh of their own children during the coming time of cannibalism. I see torture, massive grave sites, and as I write these words I know there is at least a million coffins ready for their inhabitants. Marshal law is ready. Terrorist cells spread all across the USA are ready. Biological and chemical weapons are ready, and in truth, the list of horrors ready and in place have no end. However, I do see something very clearly that few others see. Evangelists, televangelists, preachers, ministers, reverends, theologians, scholars, and a couple billion lovers of God in total darkness full of lip service while lacking Gods greatest command which is love, obedience, and knowledge with understanding. So what we now have is a world of mass deception exactly as God said it would be prior to the fall of the human race. Get this now, our Lord and God of the universe does not thrive on the joys of torture. In other words he does not barbecue babies and elderly for eternity in mankind make believe fires of hell. Hell is the grave. If one wants truth, they can only look to God because the wisdom of man is but foolishness unto Him. Why am I writing all these words that don't belong here? Ask God, because that is just all that I do while seeing Gods favor and protection for survival coming only to those whom are humble and low, whereas the prideful, arrogant, and better than thou ego trippers shall suffer greatly. There is good news. The everlasting kingdom of God grows closer each day, and that will be a world tomorrow of only good with no bad. However, God must first allow man to do unto his own self where his own evil within has led, because that is the only way man can be taught. Because of my care for others, I offered my services at any refugee camp worldwide, well knowing it could be death because Americans have become very much hated. It never happened, so it was not God's will. I have tried to become active with brothers and churches, but not God's will. God knows all things, especially the hearts of all, and that is what determines who He calls for His purpose. I have had a hard life, and through the past two years have learned to live on faith as a cave dweller with very many difficulties. In my heart and human mind filled with only God, my thoughts are that He has been preparing me to be within the great tribulation as a guide spiritually for survival through faith and reliance on Him only. I need help, food, and direction. If you don't like my words, God said it would bee that way. Ezekiel was Hated, so was Paul, and Christ was crucified for words no one wanted to hear. My Interview is complete. May God Bless you all while drawing you closer to Him. John 6:44 In all sincerity, Jeff Callarman

Posted 2009-06-28T00:44:14Z
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These are scriptures from the bible that tell us about Hell and the Torment and Enternity:  We have to believe what the word of God says-  god sent his son Jesus to die on the cross so that we would have the choice to be forgiven for our sins if we choice not to accept Christ as our Saviour and live for him in our daily walk then we have chose to serve Satan.  If that has been your choice then your enternity will be with Satan in hell and it is forever and ever and ever--God doesn't do this to us we do it to ourselves because we have chose to follow Satan.

 

Matthew 13:50
And throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


  Matthew 7:13
“Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many.


  Matthew 18:8
And if your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life crippled or lame than with two hands or two feet to be thrown into the eternal fire.
Read this parable in the bible  Luke 16:23

And in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side.
 
Jude 1:7
Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.

  Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
 
1 John 4:16-21 
So we have come to know and to believe the love that God has for us. God is love, and whoever abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him. By this is love perfected with us, so that we may have confidence for the day of judgment, because as he is so also are we in this world. There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love. We love because he first loved us. If anyone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen. ...

  Luke 16:28
For I have five brothers—so that he may warn them, lest they also come into this place of torment.’

  Luke 16:23-26
And in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side. And he called out, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus to dip the end of his finger in water and cool my tongue, for I am in anguish in this flame.’ But Abraham said, ‘Child, remember that you in your lifetime received your good things, and Lazarus in like manner bad things; but now he is comforted here, and you are in anguish. And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, in order that those who would pass from here to you may not be able, and none may cross from there to us.’
 Matthew 25:28-30

So take the talent from him and give it to him who has the ten talents. For to everyone who has will more be given, and he will have an abundance. But from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away. And cast the worthless servant into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

Matthew 22:13
Then the king said to the attendants, ‘Bind him hand and foot and cast him into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth
 
How can anyone not believe that hell exist it tells us in the bible which is GOD's word and his WORD is not a lie.

Posted 2009-06-30T19:32:03Z
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Haiglerfarms… PLEASE go to some web sites and pray that God will help you understand that He is not the terrible God you make Him out to be.  I know you believe the Bible but you have a Bible that has been corrupted, mistranslated, and falsely interpreted rather than honestly simply translated.  Please be prepared to do some prayerful reading and study.  Many people have believed as you do (as you have been taught mistakenly) but after reading and more study (in the Bible and in manuscripts of the Bible in the original languages) they do not believe in the God you do.  Start here and get back with me for more – all right?

http://home.earthlink.net/~btodd1/hurleypp.html 

Bob

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Haiglerfarms… PLEASE go to some web sites and pray that God will help you understand that He is not the terrible God you make Him out to be.  I know you believe the Bible but you have a Bible that has been corrupted, mistranslated, and falsely interpreted rather than honestly simply translated.  Please be prepared to do some prayerful reading and study.  Many people have believed as you do (as you have been taught mistakenly) but after reading and more study (in the Bible and in manuscripts of the Bible in the original languages) they do not believe in the God you do.  Start here and get back with me for more – all right?

http://home.earthlink.net/~btodd1/hurleypp.html 

Bob

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