Faith wrote: Well, since God created "gay" people also, plus there is no negativity in the Perfect Mind of God... it only stands to reason that either A) the bible has been distorted when it comes to the concept of God condemning anyone AND/OR
DYK writes: .....hard to distort the black and white like, ".....homosexuals must be killed...." or "....you may have slaves; you may buy the children of those who are not Israelites and they will be your property for life and this property can be willed to your future generations..." What's to distort? Just these commands, and many like them, they play havoc with the wishful assertion of "no negativity".
Faith wrote: ...B) people READING the bible are misinterpreting its meaning... which happens a lot actually.
DLK writes: The trouble with kind of statement is that it is the usual "I am right, you are wrong," sentiment. "They" don't get it, only "I" get it, has been the most dangerous assertion in history.
Faith wrote: It is important to consider that ANY True Scripure not only needs to be written by one who is FULLY seated in Christ/Pure Consciousness but also MUST be READ by someone who is themselves in that Self same State of Perfection. Not too many can claim that perspective. *( And if they DID have it..they wouldn't bother to claim it.)
DLK writes: The above doesn't have any meaning. Ascribing perfection is the purest of religious fiction. It is a facile and false method of giving a source its mystery and grandeur, when it is merely a text written by men, quite simple men, on the whole, men who were steeped in their culture's traditions and superstitions. As Thomas Jefferson wrote, there is no difference between what is in the pages of the Bible than there is in any other written material describing any other belief system. They, he wrote, are all alike, founded upon myth, superstition, fable, and folklore. An honest reader reading the Bible can draw no other conclusion, whether he be "perfect" or not.
Faith writes: EVEN the one doing ANY translation must also be anchored in this supreme and RARE state.
DYK writes: This kind of claim is empty. In fact, it begins to float into a kind of religious "insanity" which is far too often a problem. It is a claim that has no support, no possible proof, and absolutely no merit other than, perhaps, the claimant believing the claim. That willingness to believe skirts the "insanity" edge. To project "perfection states" is to enter the area of the occult, to climb in bed with the idea of "beyond the realm of human comprehension". Ponder that, please.
Faith wrote: It is not something that can be approached using the intellect alone.
DLK writes: When reading the words of men decribing events, interminglings with a god, and espousing ways to believe, much of it involving the fantastical, what else is there but the brain to work it all out?
Faith wrote: The fact is, there is MUCH hidden meaning in such writings. Not "hidden" on purpose but by default ..
DYK writes: No, this only goes to the various interpretations of various people. If there were "hidden" meanings, by default (a false premise), then those meanings would not ever be known, since they're hidden. It all goes back to "I know" and "You don't", when nothing is known except a person seeing what he wishes to in order to support his own versions. The "hidden meanings" assertions goes to cop out, much of the time as a defense against the obvious, that the Bible is no different than other explanations of any other religion.
Faith wrote: ~ just as a blind man cannot see the sun rise even as it is right in front of them ~ MOST human "eyes" are still veiled by the impure ego.
DLK writes: Except, of course, the pure eyes of Faith, this poster, who is apparently claiming to be of the Chosen. Maybe not, though it seems to be the direction of the proposals. Is "Faith" perfect? This question is not a "dig" but a question that seeks an answer.
Faith wrote: Of course to even SUGGEST to the impure ego that it is in fact STILL in IGNORANCE of The ONE Supreme TRUTH .. makes the ego angry and feel insulted.
DLK writes: Insulting intelligence is always a problem, especially when the insults come from an occult setting. For example: "impure ego....still in ignorance..." has absolutely no meaning, whatsoever. To think it does, means the thinker is awash with gullibility, a victim of an inability to reason, to think in a critical manner. This kind of "impure ego....." bathed in ignorance is what can be described as "psycho-babble."
Faith wrote: THAT's how you know you're dealing with the impure ego and NOT the Divine Mind. The veiling ego gets VERY defensive. Humility is NOT one of its strong points.
DYK writes: Now, just as the general personal god has human traits and attributes, a ego gets the same anthropomorphized treatment. The ego becomes almost a person. (Not only "ego" but "soul" undergoes the same kind of tortured descriptions)
Faith wrote: So.. my suggestion to this fellow who's EGO feels "victimized" by this publisher... why not just stop reading the book if it does not ring true for you?
DYK writes: But this would be an important reason to keep on reading. Since it is supposed to be from the divine, supposed to be inerrant, supposed to have 'hidden' meanings, supposed to have the secrets, why not discover the truth that it is none of those things? Keep reading. Just like so many before who came to understand the truth about the Bible, like a Jefferson, a Franklin, a Lincoln, a Sagan--they kept on reading the Bible. They came to it intellectually pure, pristine, not loaded with pre-conceived beliefs, or weighed down by the occult-minded.
Faith wrote: Instead why not focus on accepting the Perfection within yourself instead of rejecting the perceived imperfection of others?
DYK writes: This kind of pronouncement is indicative, again, of the occult. Meaningless to an nth degree. But to some, particularly the gullible, particularly the untrained minds, this kind of verbiage "sounds" compelling, as it masquerades as intelligence.
Faith wrote: Why waste your precious time arguing with those who have no real understanding?
DYK writes: Yes, "they" don't get it, only "you" get it.
Faith wrote: Instead, empower yourself and go WITHIN.. as Jesus, and other supremely rare Grace Bestowing BEings like him, have always suggested.
DYK writes: Sure, just do it. Whatever the process is, just do it. Or just as good, perhaps, do a little yoga; go to Barnes and Noble to the self-help section; get a pet.
As far as those rare Grace Bestowing Beings, who might they be? Someone like a Marshall Applewhite? Could there have been any more serene "Within" people on earth? Check out the Heaven's Gaters.
Faith wrote: No religion or group owns Jesus, owns God, owns Truth Absolute. THAT ONE is already WITHIN you.. just waiting for the right time to come forth and be RE-Cognized. The play of the mind is just a distraction. THE Supreme Truth is REVEALED from within. The function of GRACE is not to simply get one to some heaven but to REVEAL to the veiled mind its TRUE SELF, which is the SAME in ALL. This, and not physical death is the True Death those such as Jesus reference.. Death of the impure ego.... That moment when we merge FULLY into The Christ /Perfect Mind .. which doesn't give a hoot about sexual orientation. The point is that whatever we "do" .. or better put, THINK we are doing, in this dream of life, should be done from a place of LOVE, respect, and compassion for ALL involved. That is ALL that matters. So.. sue or do not sue.. from a place of LOVE . Truly... whether one wins such suits or loses them will NOT bring one any closer to Truth Absolute, which is really the WHOLE Point of one's existance. My suggestion is .. do not bother to get mired in the petty controversies of this mundane world since they just serve to create more and more delusion for the finite mind to feed on. Think on the Pure indwelling Divine ONE alone... where there is NO fault, NO imperfection, NO judgment..but only love ~ only LOVE ~ ~ ~ ONLY LOVE Peace, Faith
DYK writes: language characterized by circumlocution and jargon, usually hard to understand: "Gobbledygook"
Faith writes: bother to get mired in the petty controversies of this mundane world since they just serve to create more and more delusion for the finite mind to feed on
DYK writes: And do what? Be serene? Float? Waft? What does a finite mind do if it's not infinite? Look inward? Dive into the caverns that house ego and soul, chastize them for their non humility, their non concept of the Divine?
How does one step outside the bounds of what it is to be human? To be finite? To be a part of a natural world? Are the answers the occult? To claim? To pretend? To accept illusions that swiftly, unfortunately, can devolve into the delusional?
There is usually only one route outside of natural, since the unnatural, the paranormal, the supernatural, do not exist, and that route is insanity on the edge. Consider why there are prefixes in front of natural--un, para, super. They are there because they are concepts that have no bases. The known world is that of the natural. All of the other kinds of worlds are that of the UN-natural, i.e., the fantasy worlds of the imaginations.
