thanks for all your advice guys, has definately helped to push me back in the right direction.

one of the things i read ispired me to start seraching further and through google came across something that seems like it may shed some light on bits??

the cob foundation (cystitis and overactive bladder foundation)

www.cobfoundation.org/

looking at this and talking to a few people there as well there was a suggestion of Interstitial Cystitis? i had never heard of this before but when i compared some of the information on it a lot of the symptoms fit.  Has anyone even heard of this before? or could it be like IBS where it seems to be the name they give to anything they cannot resolve?

thanks again?

cj