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Don't be so confident God is on your side...

That picture "The land of the Bible belongs to the people of the Bible..." Well, that's not quite it, is it? God turned His back on the Jewish people throughout history for their refusal to follow His commandments and live the way He asked them to. And modern-day Israel is anything but faithful to God. My understanding is that many of the residents are atheistic Jews. That is to say, they are Jewish by heritage, but not involved in the life of the Jewish faith. I think it is wrong to bring God into this if we're not doing what He wants us to do. Jesus Himself said, God could raise up sons from the very stones. Just because you have heritage doesn't mean you have all the privileges. Ask your prophets, your kings, Moses, and others throughout your history. I am not trying to run down the Israelis because they're bad people, but they are by and large not God-fearing people. I am criticizing their tendency to fall back to Scripture when it suits them, instead of relying on it all the time.


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I'm STILL waiting for Gilad Shalit to come home!!

Go Israel!

Is there a question here?

Posted 2009-08-02T02:43:39Z
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Greetings!  IN a way there is a question.  I have nothing against any religion or lack thereof, though I am trained to understand the effects that practicing religious ideas (or not) has on people.  The question is this - How can anyone rightly involve God as being on "their side" if they themselves are not on His side?  The history of the nation and people of Israel, as written in the Old Testament, or Torah/Prophets/Writings is all about the relationship that the chosen people of Israel kept, or failed to keep, with their God.  When they did His will, He made them invincible, and when they strayed, he meekly left them to themselves, and they got pounded by outside forces until they repented of their going astray, at which time He came back to them with such great love.

This is an axiom that is not only true for the Jewish believers of Israel and anywhere else, but for Christians as well, since we see ourselves as grafted into the Israel of God, as St Paul writes.  Israel has never ceased to have paramount importance in either faith, but "Israel" is not neccesarily a piece of land with fixed geographical boundaries.  It is the people that are the nation.  God can do anything with any land He wants - He made it all, and the locations are not the point as much as the people are. 

And, when I see nowadays, things like this sign someone is holding up "The land of the Bible belongs to the people of the Bible" it is patently NOT true.  God had no problem letting Israel know that if they strayed from His ways that He would let them lose their land that He gave them.  It has never really been Israel's divine right to hold that piece of land, it is, rather, contingent upon their relationship with God.

When we see modern day Y'israel (right?) that largely does not even try to follow the Sabbath and the commandments that are STILL a part of Judaism, and instead espouse a way of life that makes America look virtuous by contrast, and THEN have the audacity to bring God into the claims that they have some sort of right to that territory, well, I am sorry, this just smacks of arrogance to me.  Now, to be sure, there are the Orthodox Jewish people making a go of life there, and they seem to be dedicated, and perhaps for their sake God preserves their land.  But even then, the nation as a whole fails to learn from the lessons of the Holocaust that eventually led them to that region in the first place.  The Nazis treated Jews in a way that can only be thought of as evil.  But is it any better for 3-5 million people to be displaced, kicked out of their homes and jobs and utterly cut off from their own livelihood, so that the returning Jewish people can have a homeland?  The American Indians were rather resentful of the white man forcing them off their lands, why should the Palestinians be any different?  Where's the following of the Old Testament commandments to be kind and hospitable to foreigners in the midst of your country?  The Christians and Muslims in Palestinian lands are not the same as the pagans of Canaan. 

I realize this may only inflame a lot of people, and that is not my intent, and I am sorry if it is an offense, but these things have got to be looked at if there is going to be any real peace.  Make easy terms with Terrorists?  Never.  But to think about what was done to you and to strive to never let yourself or anyone else do that again?  Uh, yeah!  I hope!! 

May God bless the people, believers and non believers, of all faiths and non-faiths, who live in the Holy Land, and may He bring all of us to know Him as God.  May your lives be blessed with wisdom and peace, and hopefully, a moving away from rhetoric and dangerous ignorace...

 

God bless!

Seraphim

 

Oh, and by the way, I don't think Obama is right on things much, either.  I do think he has a point validating Palestine, and the whole "two state" thing, but I am pretty sure that is not going to happen because the hatred the two sides bear one another is really strong.  It often seems to me that the passion for anger and hatred, and the desire for "righteous retribution" (a.k.a. revenge) is so strong that the rationale for such behaviour doesn't actually matter too much.  This is also not in keeping with the commandments of God "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, all thy soul, and all thy strength.  And the second commandment is like it... Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself."  He didn't define neighbour, so that appears to mean everyone around you.  The only exceptions God made to this were directly with the pagans in Canaan, and that was because they themselves had so desecrated their own lives through child sacrifice, sorcery, demon worship (that is who those gods like Dagon and Ba'al) really were, you know... and those people were so deeply into their practices that there was no real hope of getting them to repent, and Israel wasn't ready yet to be a beacon of the faith in the One True God, because they keep straying themselves.  And, so on...

 

But Barry Obama, well, he's a sign perhaps that God has forsaken America, too.  Even when he is 'right' about something, he is often wrong, since he has his own set of motivations that simply are way off.  I will give him credit any time he does something creditworthy, but I think he is wrong about most things, most of the time, and the only thing his appeasement attempts will probably show is that the bad guys are really as bad as Pres. Bush was telling us they are...

God bless!

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