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A person is stalking underage children on a social network and says something controversial and sexual.  Multitudes of people block the account.  The network disables the account as a result.   How does this protect people if one can just login under a different name and email?  It would seem it would be in our interest to not disable sick perverted people's accounts, because this would be a way to surveillance their actions.  People should be able to block who they want.  Disabling an account encourages people to bookmark and write the email down of who they want to harass.  The people who bothered to block are now vulnerable.  Besides the obvious rejection of the first amendment, I fail to see the logic of kicking people out for what they say, poke or friend.  Also if a person has your email address and the network doesn't tell the accused harasser to delete it, how does the accused know a contact is hostile in the first place?


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There's not much you can do really. I think the law is still pretty backwards and with technology expanding as fast as it does, it sometime leave quite a few loopholes and people take advantage of them.

One of the main and most important topics pour society's learning to deal with on this is pedophilia, a lot of children are being exposed to proposal of sexual nature on the internet, then they ever have in the past.

There is no law against stalking someone on the internet, social networks are considered public places, and someone can stalk underage or overage people as much as they want. However, offering sex or sexual activities or making sexual remarks to underage people, is illegal. If the person had been ban from using one user name and return under a different nick name and went on with it. And if you have documentation of the e-mails and messages and so on, you should just go to the police.

In a lot of cases Pedophiles was traced by their IP address (hopefully, he's using a home computer and not surfing from different places and servers). This person is breaking the law, those cases are still very complicated, but are getting more and more simple with time and with special police unites that specialize in internet related crimes. 

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I found your answer to be positive and well informed... but it did not get into the heart of the issue.  Most people are very (how shall I say it) indirect.  They might make an off color remark related to the issue that might allow people to look further.  However if some dude is thrown off... there is little chance of catching him with his pants down... (so to speak).  The important thing is to force the social networks that they are not being responsible to change their ways if they simply throw someone off for being a wise-ass.  I seem to have been guilty of infringing facebook's code of conduct (allegedly but because they refused to go into details and explain issues with me I had no idea what their problem was.  Seven accounts later they finally told me that their issue was not the terms at all and was in fact because I had a friend list that was around 5000 people that I ran through for invites.  They claimed it was spam.  Being that I am unemployed and have nothing to sell... I doubt it), but one thing I know is I have three year old son and I feel threatened that they would kick me off for being off color or for having friends.  It alarms me exponentially that the primary concern of these social networks is saving their own asses and not protecting the forum.  If they really had a problem with me... I would hope they would properly surveillance and then prosecute me.  Truth was I probably had one or two people who were friends who were probably stabbing me in the back, but because facebook does not accurately tell you what the problem is... one can never delete an unknown enemy off your friend list.  With my present account I am trying to be more careful.... but who knows who it was and what it was.  My guess is that it was nothing and some Alpha-Male idiot went Clint Eastwood and now realizes that he made a mistake. 

Posted 2007-11-24T22:42:59Z
 

I was thinking about my answer to this earlier this evening and I thought this:

The world is not a safe place, sadly, kids can get kidnapped, abused or raped in any given place. If a kid get kidnapped or raped at the mall, it's not the mall's owner's fault - the poor parents won't go complaining at the mall management office, they go to the police.

Myspace is like a mall or a street, it's a public place, like any other public place - a mall, school, street, church or wherever, where most people are nice but some people are dangerous. Expecting myspace to deal with sexual abuser or any other kind of creeps is pretty irrational. 

What's the solution - well there's only a partial solution,  just like so far, society didn't find a way to stop crime in general. The responsibility isn't on the person who owns the site, it's mostly and firstly, on the parents - educate - make sure your kid knows that it's not OK for them to receive or except sexual offers from grown-ups. Just like 3 year old are educated to not talk to strangers, 7 pr 8 years old should be taught not to communicated with strangers online. More grown up kids should know the difference between making friends online and being exploited. 

A survey that  was done a few months ago showed that almost all kids who use the net, know to not talk to strangers and use it mostly to keep in touch with friends they already know from offline frames. 

The world is a dangerous place - just like we learn to protect kids on the park or on the street, we need to learn how to protect them online. Yes, they might run into pedophiles online, just like they might (and sadly, lets face it - probably already had) run into them offline. Education is the difference between running away or getting raped.  

 
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well I think your libertarian slant is refreshing... I consider myself one myself.

...but you don't understand my point in questioning.  A shopping mall needs security.  People will not pay for the goods otherwise.  My point is that if they start throwing people out because some guy declares himself as different in opinion to the feminist cultural norm... will they throw him out?

 

My point is that they shouldn't even if they disagree and think he/she is dangerous.  If I suspect for whatever reason that someone is going to steal... what I do is watch.  I don't act.  These social networks are throwing people out because they simply can't be bothered with the delinquents.   They censor because they don't know how to handle those that find the edges of morality and look around. Not only is this ethically questionable.  It is dangerous because if you have a suspicion that some one is dangerous... you should be looking into it.  Not throwing them out.

Even the Godfather knew:  "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer"

 

This is simple logic.  But the reason facebook is throwing people out is that they are an elitist snobby group of people who in general don't care about the society at large.  It is quite obvious that facebook just doesn't care.  Period.  And it's a sad day for the "Social". 

Posted 2007-11-27T15:44:54Z
 
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I´ve been following up on your question and although I´m not sure what you´re actually refering to, I just wanted to add that it may be out of Facebook´s hands to resolve this issue of tight security. I have contacted them about a similar issue where I am getting emails in my other accounts(not FACEBOOK) with bogus messages with keywords of messages I have received in Facebook or personal information in my profile. The security dpt. from Facebook has been prompt in contacting me regarding the issue and though they´re being helpful, they have told me they cannot reveal who is visiting my Facebook account so often unless I provide a valid subpoena or court order and have my lawyer contact them directly. They have advised me to make sure I log off properly as whoever can read my emails from my other accounts can also read the ones from Facebook. So, there´s no doubt someone is reading my messages, but my question is: Why is it that they want me to know that they are reading them by sending me bogus emails with keywords from emails i´ve been sent or in reference to my information? Who is this person? people? Moreover, shouldn´t they (the individual(s) in question) present a court order or notify me, if they have a legitimate reason to do so?

 
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I think I was pretty clear.  I don't need to get into specifics.

Conduct that is questionable is no reason to throw someone off a social network... for one thing it could lead to finding details on a person so that it can have impact in reality.  No one gets hurt online.... unless you think like Gloria Steinem or Dworkin or some psycho-fem-hysteria.

but already here is a detail that just happened to me

 

 

some woman has put nude pictures of herself on my profile. (no not here) I wouldn't mind except the pictures are her as a child. Being that I don't get off on little children in the nude.... I was thinking about erasing it. I'm afraid it will hurt her feelings and I didn't want to do that. But I'm paranoid because one of my friends from art school got in trouble for having child porn. Now I doubt my friend was into children either. I'm sure he was using the nude pictures of children for reference in his drawing... but that isn't the point. The point is that I am certainly not into this shit... and I don't want to get into any beef and I know people do watch me to see if I go to far. So I am a little in a pickle... do I erase the shit and lose the friend or what? They are interesting pictures... I see the artistic merit in it... also being that the pictures are actually her... it isn't quite child porn... also being that she posted it... my question is am I responsible? What the hell do I do?

 

I don't want to be a hypocrite either... I pride myself on being against censorship. but seeing a bald vagina is pretty damn gross... and I don't want to go to jail over my own self righteousness.

 

I guess my question is... because the picture is pretty hidden with other comments at this point.... I doubt anyone will find it now... my question is am I responsible? She posted it.

 

also if I delete it... people won't believe me if I tell them this... so I kind of want a record of this.

In fact I am only writing this because I want a record of it.  Because I have a feeling this might get back to me and I want to clarify my feelings on the issue. 

 

there is something else... this is the second time it happened. I friended this same girl around a year ago... and she did the same thing... (I did not recognize her this time)  A year ago, I deleted the picture... and she defriended me. she doesn't remember that and I just remembered,

 

obviously this is her warning sign... she put the image up when I was telling her some controversial stuff about the last company I worked for. This image is her defense mechanism. It is her way of sayin, "mess with me and I will mess you up". She has the alibi that it is her childhood picture... but I don't.  So what I am asking is am I culpable to guilt for her posting? This is a game.  Fashion Institute of Technology women can be kind of strange. I'm from NYC... I went to the limelight night club on occasion in the early 90's. I have a feeling that this is an attractive skinny fashionable blonde... who has a real sick side to her. This is a circle of people who I feel as an artist are important to penetrate. She obviously someone in a circle of people... she feels that I am questionable... (but likes my art).... this is her way of initiating me. To see if I can be trusted. The only reason I know this is because it is my second time around with the girl.  She apparently does this as a pattern.

 

I have had a rough social networking week....

these art ladies are not easy. 

....they test you,,, 

 

Posted 2007-12-22T05:41:58Z
 

Art ladies were never easy, not even before the internet.

You are describing a really strange situation that has very little to od with the internet and everything that has to do with being a human being in western civilization now. The technology is running way faster then the law, and that's running even faster then the codes of human behavior which leaves a lot of us confused about how to act in different social situations.

I'm mostly worried about you keeping a photo that you don't want to keep just because you don't want to be a hypocrite, that's actually a very hypocrite thing to do in my book - yes, I'm all for lack of censorship and equal opportunities, but not in the name of giving up on personal freedom and self preferences, especially when it comes to personal issues, if you don't find the photo attractive, you should have the right to dispose of it, being true to yourself is, to me, more important then being politically correct.

 You know what - you might hurt her feelings, shit happens, people get hurt, this is again not because of the Internet but because of not wanting to hurt people, the off line equivalent would be, getting a gift you really hate from someone - we all know the rule to this, say thank you very much and throw it out or give it to charity a couple of days later...

Or - if she's a good friend or someone you are interested in having an honest relationship with - tell the truth. How about "I really like you, but I don't like the photo you have in your profile, so I would love to keep in touch but not through that website", or how about "You are nice but I find the picture offensive and I don't want to et in trouble with the law for looking at naked children, do me a favor and switch it to something else".

 

I think that the main problem here is not the internet but the fact that you discovered that you are less tolerant to certain type of images then you would like to perceive yourself  to be. Nothing is wrong with that, being effected by kiddy porn is actually a healthy thing.

 
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there are other considerations then just my own social situation.  Deleting the image would delete the evidence.  This is actually the second time she posted it on my profile.  I can't delete it on her server.  Deleting the comment does nothing but destroy my own innocence.  One of the reasons I am here talking about it is to cover my tracks.  If I just delete it... It makes me look guilty as well.  

 This gets back to my main point.  By policing a forum we do a wrong.  Wether we run our own social network or if we censor our profile.  By deleting the comment... I change nothing. 

 

She can always place the nude picture of herself as a child somewhere else or even on my own profile again.  She can come back as someone else and publish it again.  When we act like Ghouliani we hurt our ability to protect our own children.  By letting her keep the thing up... I have a record.  Once I delete it... it is gone.  Obviously this girl... who is part of a group of Fashion Institute of Technology girls... (not sure if she actually attends or not).... Obviously she has done this before.  In fact I think she does it when she herself feels unconfortable.  It is a way of insuring that men are under her control. It is a form of sexual harassment.  I need to keep it so she doesn't do it again.  If her own server wants to censor it... that is the servers business... but I am keeping it to protect myself.  Her profile showcases herself in a bikini... she likes to be sexual and when she feels uncomfortable she posts a version of herself as a nude child.  No I need to keep the code up.  

 

And speaking of strange internet behavior.

 

another woman....

 

Had some woman keep on asking me questions... wanted to get real intimate with me... then asked me if I had a son.  I said yeah.  Then she defriended me and disappeared.  Wierd!?  She wanted to show me her erotic dance and all kinds of stuff.  It said she was in a relationship... So I was interested in an artistic way... she also started saying wierd things about this guy on my friend list.  Wanted me to defriend this person and that person.  When I refused because I didn't know her or the guy she didn't like... she got pissed.  This is too much.  You want to show me erotic dance fine.  You want to talk politics... fine.  I'm not for my tax dollar going to schools... you want to ask me what I think of your art... fine.  But then to defriend me like that is just weird.  Tell me what your problem is if you have a problem with me.  I'm telling you because I have become friends with you like I became friends with her.  We don't know each other... but I don't need to be judged like as if we were having sex or something.  The fact that I have a son is no reason to defriend someone... nor does it have anything to do with the fact that you want to show me some kind of erotic dance.  I'm just getting real frustrated.  You might think I'm psycho... but I'm not.  I'm super normal.  What you see online is only my artwork.  I'm just a nice guy.  Please make a note of that.  You can't judge me by my art. 

Posted 2007-12-22T21:22:10Z

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