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Obama and Democrats Need To Get ALL The Credit For This Porkulus Bill!

"Never let a serious crisis go to waste. What I mean by that is it's an opportunity to do things you couldn't do before."

So said White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel in November, and Democrats in Congress are certainly taking his advice to heart. The 647-page, $825 billion House legislation is being sold as an economic "stimulus," but now that Democrats have finally released the details we understand Rahm's point much better. This is a political wonder that manages to spend money on just about every pent-up Democratic proposal of the last 40 years.



We've looked it over, and even we can't quite believe it. There's $1 billion for Amtrak, the federal railroad that hasn't turned a profit in 40 years; $2 billion for child-care subsidies; $50 million for that great engine of job creation, the National Endowment for the Arts; $400 million for global-warming research and another $2.4 billion for carbon-capture demonstration projects. There's even $650 million on top of the billions already doled out to pay for digital TV conversion coupons.

In selling the plan, President Obama has said this bill will make "dramatic investments to revive our flagging economy." Well, you be the judge. Some $30 billion, or less than 5% of the spending in the bill, is for fixing bridges or other highway projects. There's another $40 billion for broadband and electric grid development, airports and clean water projects that are arguably worthwhile priorities.

Add the roughly $20 billion for business tax cuts, and by our estimate only $90 billion out of $825 billion, or about 12 cents of every $1, is for something that can plausibly be considered a growth stimulus. And even many of these projects aren't likely to help the economy immediately. As Peter Orszag, the President's new budget director, told Congress a year ago, "even those [public works] that are 'on the shelf' generally cannot be undertaken quickly enough to provide timely stimulus to the economy."



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Most of the rest of this project spending will go to such things as renewable energy funding ($8 billion) or mass transit ($6 billion) that have a low or negative return on investment. Most urban transit systems are so badly managed that their fares cover less than half of their costs. However, the people who operate these systems belong to public-employee unions that are campaign contributors to . . . guess which party?

Here's another lu-lu: Congress wants to spend $600 million more for the federal government to buy new cars. Uncle Sam already spends $3 billion a year on its fleet of 600,000 vehicles. Congress also wants to spend $7 billion for modernizing federal buildings and facilities. The Smithsonian is targeted to receive $150 million; we love the Smithsonian, too, but this is a job creator?

Another "stimulus" secret is that some $252 billion is for income-transfer payments -- that is, not investments that arguably help everyone, but cash or benefits to individuals for doing nothing at all. There's $81 billion for Medicaid, $36 billion for expanded unemployment benefits, $20 billion for food stamps, and $83 billion for the earned income credit for people who don't pay income tax. While some of that may be justified to help poorer Americans ride out the recession, they aren't job creators



 

As for the promise of accountability, some $54 billion will go to federal programs that the Office of Management and Budget or the Government Accountability Office have already criticized as "ineffective" or unable to pass basic financial audits. These include the Economic Development Administration, the Small Business Administration, the 10 federal job training programs, and many more.

Oh, and don't forget education, which would get $66 billion more. That's more than the entire Education Department spent a mere 10 years ago and is on top of the doubling under President Bush. Some $6 billion of this will subsidize university building projects. If you think the intention here is to help kids learn, the House declares on page 257 that "No recipient . . . shall use such funds to provide financial assistance to students to attend private elementary or secondary schools." Horrors: Some money might go to nonunion teachers.

The larger fiscal issue here is whether this spending bonanza will become part of the annual "budget baseline" that Congress uses as the new floor when calculating how much to increase spending the following year, and into the future. Democrats insist that it will not. But it's hard -- no, impossible -- to believe that Congress will cut spending next year on any of these programs from their new, higher levels. The likelihood is that this allegedly emergency spending will become a permanent addition to federal outlays -- increasing pressure for tax increases in the bargain. Any Blue Dog Democrat who votes for this ought to turn in his "deficit hawk" credentials.

This is supposed to be a new era of bipartisanship, but this bill was written based on the wish list of every living -- or dead -- Democratic interest group. As Speaker Nancy Pelosi put it, "We won the election. We wrote the bill." So they did. Republicans should let them take all of the credit.


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First,let me say this to you, 'get over losing the election.' Second, 'GET IT IN YOUR HEAD THAT THE WAY THAT THINGS WERE DONE BEFORE IS THE WAY YOU WANT THINGS TO CONTINUE.' Your question is the same old thing that got this country into this mess to begin with. Already, 'YOU WANT START PLAYING THAT SAME OLD SONG THAT  HAS BEEN PLAYED ON THE REPUBLICAN RADIO FOR FAR TOO LONG "PLAY THE BLAME GAME" and it has been recorded by every politician 'Democrat and republican until it is worn out. Instead of sounding like the same old thing, ask THIS QUESTION, "HOW CANI HELP GET THIS MESS TURNED AROUND?". But it is so obvious by your question thatn you are NOT INTERESTED IN MOVING FORWARD TO A NEW AMERICA, BUT YOU ARE MORE INTERESTED IN THE SAME OLD STAGNANT WAS. WAKE UP. LET'S GET PASS THE BLAME GAME OF THE PAST AND FOR ONCE,PLEASE WAKE UP AND SEE THE FUTURE. YOUR GLASS IS 'STILL' HALF EMPTY. SEE YOUR GLHALF FULL AN THEN AND ONLY THENWILL YOU SEE THE POSITIVE SIDE OF LIFE.

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I have never, and will never, support this bill. It will do nothing for the working class people, nothing!

If I did support such a bill, it would have to stimulate all the big business that went overseas, for their return to America, and give Americans back their jobs. I would also set aside enough money to find, and prosecute, all of the Bernard Madoff's of this country. From the SEC to the FDIC and that Thief, Barney (Fife) Frank.

But, what do I know. I'm just an ordinary working stiff.

George...........

Posted 2009-01-31T13:29:15Z
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Coleman, if by not supporting chlamydia treatment, and money to ACORN, and other "Stimulus" projects that won't bring job production for three plus years, your damn right! Why do I want to mortgage my grand children's future for a 50 year Democratic wishlist?

You are the same ilk that was out there in October decrying the Republicans lack of fiscal responsibility for the last 8 years! Vote For Change? What Change? 1.2 trillion more change that's what!

You my friend, are the one who wants things they way they have been for the last 8 years not I!

 
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As we used to say in the sixties, "Turn on, tune in, and drop out."  It is time for fiscal conservatives to become hippies and quit paying into a socialistic system.

 
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Right On! Power To The People!

Posted 2009-02-01T16:39:23Z
 
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  Reason 1: The Stimulus Will Not Work
Our history is replete with examples of “stimulus” spending failing to move our economy toward prosperity—Bush just tried it, Ford tried it. Even Christina Romer, Obama’s Chair of the Council of Economic Advisers agrees. Romer wrote in a study, “Our estimates suggest that fiscal actions contributed only moderately to recoveries.” The New Deal didn’t end the Great Depression and Obama’s stimulus package won’t end this recession. In fact, two UCLA economists published a study in 2004 finding FDR’s similar New Deal policies prolonged the Great Depression by seven years.
It fails because you don’t increase economic output by taking a dollar from one person and giving to another. The idea of “stimulus” spending falls for the “ broken window fallacy”—the allure of what is seen versus what is not seen. We will see the jobs created by the government spending. What we won’t see are the jobs lost because consumers have less money to spend because the government got the money its spending from us—the only place it can get money. Reason 2: The Stimulus follows the same plan that ruined Japan’s economy
Japan, after a dramatic market crash and a drop in real estate prices responded with government spending not unlike what the US Congress is considering today. In fact, they had 10 stimulus bills between 1992 and 2000, spending billions on infrastructure construction, building bridges, roads, and airports as well as pouring money into biotech and telecommunications. While many countries enjoyed booming economies and falling unemployment during this time, Japan had a lost decade, seeing its unemployment more than double. They spent double the US level of GDP on infrastructure, and now have a lousy economy and have one of the highest national debts in the world.
After 10 stimulus packages, Japan has gone from having the second biggest economy in the world by a long shot, to being well behind the new number two, China, and is close to falling behind India. We do not want to follow their lead. Reason 3: The Stimulus is full of Wasteful Projects
While we were told the stimulus bill would focus on rebuilding America’s infrastructure—mainly the roads and bridges—only 5% of the current bill goes to such projects. The rest of the bill goes to pet projects like:

  • $400,000,000.00 for researching sexually transmitted diseases
  • $200,000,000.00 to force the military to buy environmentally-friendly electric cars
  • $34,000,000.00 to renovate the Department of Commerce headquarters
  • $75,000,000.00 for a program to end smoking which, if successful will bankrupt the State Children’s Health Program Democrats are about to pass (SCHIP) that is paid for by cigarette taxes
  • $650,000,000.00 for digital TV coupons
  • $50,000,000.00 for the National Endowment for the Arts

These programs are just the 2008 version of the “ midnight basketball” program that derailed Bill Clinton’s attempt to ram through a “stimulus” bill in 1992. Despite that bill failing, the economy quickly recovered and the economic boom of the 1990s began.

Reason 4: The Government Can’t Afford the StimulusReason 5: We Can’t afford the StimulusReason 6: The Stimulus is Bigger Than the Economic Output of Most CountriesReason 7: Central Planning like the Stimulus Doesn’t Work, Ask the USSRReason 8: Remember the $750 Billion Bailout from this Fall?Reason 9: This Money Doesn’t Grow on Trees

President Bush pushed the government deep into a $1.2 trillion deficit this year, the third time he has set a record for biggest deficit ever, and President Obama’s stimulus bill follows his lead, piling on more debt. The deficit in 2008 amounted to about 8 percent of GDP. The entire debt is about 35 percent of GDP.

Even for those who do still believe in Keynesianism, it is important to remember his theory didn’t start with the government already over a trillion dollars in the hole, he was generally operating from balanced budgets.

How much is $825 billion? The Heritage Foundationhas calculated that that comes to over $10,000 per American family. To further put that in context, on average, families annually spend:

  • $2,230 on apparel and services
  • $3,595 on health care
  • $4,322 on food at home
  • $11,657 on shelter

If this bill were a country, it’d be the 15th largest country in world, ranking between Australia and Mexico. It is bigger than the economies of Saudi Arabia and Iran combined. In fact, the $875 billion it calls for is more than all the cash in the United States.

If centrally planned government spending on a grand scale produced economic growth, the Soviet Union would have won the Cold War. If government spending on a grand scale produced economic growth we would be in the middle of the Bush Boom right now. It doesn’t. Working, saving, and investing leads to economic output and increases in productivity lead to growth.

As economics professor Steven Horwitz said, “The stimulus plans assume consumption is the source of growth. It is not. It is the consequence of said growth.”

It was just a couple months ago when we were told if we would just quickly hand over $750 billion to the Treasury Secretary to bailout his friends on Wall Street, he would make the economy all better. That didn’t work, and neither will an additional $825 billion.

And this has nothing to do with paper money being made of cotton and linen. The only way the government gets money is through taxing, borrowing, or printing—that is, it has to take it out of the economy in order to put it back into the economy. If government borrows the money for the stimulus, then it will either have to print money later or raise taxes to pay it back. If it raises taxes to pay for the stimulus, it will, in effect, be robbing Peter to pay Paul – probably with interest. If it prints the money, inflation decreases the value of the dollar for every American – robbing Paul to pay Paul.

 

Reason 10: Economists do NOT Agree this is a Good Idea

No matter how many times supporters of the bill say it, economists do not all agree this bill is a good idea. In fact, hundreds of economists have come out against it, including Noble Laureates, who signed a letter the Cato Institute ran as a full page ad in several major newspapers opposing the stimulus. Still more economists submitted statements to the US House of Representatives opposing the stimulus proposal.

 

 
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1 Trillion dallors
1 dollars bills    1.1 million tons
                       22 billion pounds
100 dollar bills  11 thousands tons 
                      2.2 million pounds
If you stacked a trillion $1 bills (US) on top of each other, you'd form a stack that reached a quarter of the way to the moon --the stack would be nearly 70,000 miles high or three times  around the equator
 A dollar bill's dimensions are about 2.6" x 6.1" x .0043"
$253 million to cover a one-mile by one-mile square.
So $1 trillion in one-dollar bills would cover an area of about 3,857 square miles  
$1trillion in one-dollar bills (if packed perfectly) would fill a volume of about            40 million cubic feet
Minneapolis sports stadium Metrodome Interior volume is 60 million cubic feet
will fill the Metrodome 2/3 full
                                                                                   
                                                                               


 
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Lets play ball JoeAnimated MonkeysThrow the ball back Biden

 

 

 

1 Trillion dallors

1 dollars bills    1.1 million tons

                       22 billion pounds

100 dollar bills  11 thousands tons 

                      2.2 million pounds

If you stacked a trillion $1 bills (US) on top of each other, you'd form a stack that reached a quarter of the way to the moon --the stack would be nearly 70,000 miles high or three times  around the equator

 A dollar bill's dimensions are about 2.6" x 6.1" x .0043"

$253 million to cover a one-mile by one-mile square.

So $1 trillion in one-dollar bills would cover an area of about 3,857 square miles  

$1trillion in one-dollar bills (if packed perfectly) would fill a volume of about            40 million cubic feet

Minneapolis sports stadium Metrodome Interior volume is 60 million cubic feet

will fill the Metrodome 2/3 full

                                                                                   

                                                                               


 

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