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Need advice regarding a gay friend

I have a good friend who hasn't dated girls since last year. He tries to look like he is interested in girls, but according to his appearance and behavior he is apparently interested in men. This situation is complicated -- he almost forces himself to look as if he is into girls when we talk about this issue, while we (me and other friends) feel uncomfortable to talk about gays whenever he is present.


I need some advice regarding a gentle and compassionate approach towards him, in order to help him resolve his sexual identity.


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Hey, Ralph. 

 I didn't "come out" until pretty late in my life (28), so if your friend is gay, I have a good general understanding of the problems he's facing.  If you could answer some questions, maybe I can be of some help:

  1. How old is he?
  2. How do you think his family feels about gay people?
  3. What does he do for a living, or, what's his work environment like (blue collar, retail, etc.)?
  4. Does he abuse alcohol or drugs?
  5. Before you came to believe he is gay, what was the attitude toward gay people you & his friends displayed (calling people "fag," whether joking or not, laughing at or insulting gay people, etc.)?

 In my experience, the attitude of my family toward gay people wasn't an issue, since they're very open-minded and all-around great people, but even knowing that, it was hard for me to tell them.  I was concerned about disappointing them, or having them feel uncomfortable around me, or treating me differently.  However, as I've heard & seen of the experiences of some of my gay friends, if their families were "anti-gay," for want of a better term, it had a huge impact on how they felt about themselves, and how difficult it was for them to accept who they are.  If your friend is concerned about how his family would react, and how they'd treat him, that's a gigantic obstacle for him to overcome.

 Sometimes, one's working environment has a big impact on how, when, and if someone comes out.  I worked in a blue-collar job for several years, and the thought of any of them knowing I was gay was frightening.  There was no doubt I'd be an outcast, I'd be threatened, and no one would want to work with me ("guilt by association").  If your friend's work environment would be a difficult place to be as a gay man, that's a damn good reason to stay quiet...

 I asked if he abuses alcohol or drugs because if he does, you may want to keep a closer eye on him; if he's truly in a depressive state, his substance abuse may increase, and could pose a significant threat to his health.

 Speaking again from personal experiences, before I came out, the attitude of my friends was very negative toward gay people in general, so that reinforced my feelings that I needed to hide that part of my self.  It's common for people to use the terms "gay," and "fag," and "queer," in very negative ways.  How often do you hear someone say something like "I hate that song - it's so gay," or call someone a "fag" as an insult--not having anything at all to do with sexuality, or describe something as being "queer" because it's something they don't like, and so on.  When you use "gay" terms to describe things you don't like, what that says to a gay person is that you don't like him.  Period.  Put another way, how would a Jewish person feel if he heard you say "He wanted $10 for it, but I Jewed him down to 5," or "You're only giving $5?  Don't be such a Jew."  Using the word "gay" in a negative way is just as hurtful and bigoted as using the word "Jew" in a negative way.  So if your friend hears his friends hurling "gay" insults, why would he feel comfortable telling you he's gay?

 Finally, I was trying to think of how I would have reacted if someone confronted me & asked me if I was gay before I was ready to come out by myself.  The only answers I can honestly come up with is that it would have depended on who asked me, the surroundings we were in, and how he/she asked.  I guess the best-possible scenario for me would have been if someone I was really close to (someone I really loved & trusted) asked me, in a private, one-on-one setting, and approached it in a sincere but casual way, as if to convey that they know this is a difficult, important, and private matter, but that to them, it wasn't a big deal, then I most likely would have opened up.  If you think you can convey those feelings to him, and if you think you can put him at ease, and if you can assure him you're only asking because he's your friend, and you love him, and you want him to feel comfortable being his true self with you, and that you'll absolutely respect his privacy, then he may open up to you.  However, it's a tough call on your part...  If it goes well, you'll make him feel a lot better, and he'll truly appreciate your friendship even more, but if he's not ready, or if your approach makes him uncomfortable, it could make things worse.

 I guess the "safest" thing would be to let him come out on his own when he's ready, while at the same time showing your support & understanding in general, non-specific ways, so that he knows how you'd react if he were to tell you.  I hope that made sense....   :o)

Posted 2006-07-20T18:44:07Z
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Well, it seems you have already decided for your friend that he's gay. I believe that he should resolve his sexual identity by himself and without help.

However, if you believe he's gay, but your concern is that he's trying to hide it from you and your friends, maybe it means that he doesn't feel comfortable revealing this fact, and lacks the confidence that you'll accept him just the way he is.

You say you feel uncomfortable to talk about gays whenever he is present. why is that? what is it you're saying about gays that makes you feel uncomfortable to do it in front of him? when talking about gays in his presence, try to be positive towards gays, or even better - indifferent to the fact that they are gay. just act naturally whenever dealing with the subject, making him realize that you have no problem with him being gay.

But again, I really think that whether he's gay or not, it's a decision for him to make on his own, and so is when to come forward and tell you guys about it.

Posted 2006-07-20T09:02:21Z
 
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Guess you are right, maybe I have already decided for him...

What you basicly suggest is to leave him alone and let him make his own decisions?

The thing is that i'm worried about him, he seems a bit depressed lately, and my intution tells me that it's because of that issue.  

Posted 2006-07-20T09:19:27Z
 
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Listen to 001


I have a lisp and dress great. I haven't dated a girl in almost a year after my last break-up.  I'm not gay though. He might not be either.

Posted 2006-07-20T17:53:45Z
 
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 I respectfully disagree with you, toffer.

 First, getting "a gay guy involved in your group" will do nothing more than further the friend's discomfort.  I can practically guarantee that if he is gay, he'll know why this new "gay guy" was brought into the group, and he'll feel like such a fool. 

 Second, to find & bring a gay guy into the group like that, you'd have to tell the gay guy what you're doing and why, which is a further invasion of the friend's privacy, not to mention a pretty underhanded way to treat one's friend.  Worse still would be if you're not honest with the "gay guy," which means you're insulting him, too, by using him and lying to him.

 Third, assuming the friend did not realize why the "gay guy" was brought in, and assuming you were honest with the "gay guy" right from the start, there's another problem: closeted gay guys may be uncomfortable around straight guys, but they're a thousand times more uncomfortable around gay guys!  If the friend is gay, and he's all of a sudden spending time with a gay guy in front of his friends, it'll be a nightmare.  

 Fourth, if the friend has a computer, he can talk to gay people any time he wants to, if he wants to.  He can do it anonymously, without any of his friends watching, listening, or knowing about it.   

 I do agree with you on your last point, though, that looks can be deceiving.  The whole "metrosexual" thing has blurred the more obvious stereotypical-gay-guy cues we once noticed.  Let me tell you, it's cause a lot of false-positives on my gaydar...   ;o)

Posted 2006-07-20T19:08:22Z
 
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001, it's just that I've grew up in a pretty diverse area. We had people out before we even had a health class. I was just pulling from a personal experience. My friend Rory (homosexual) kept telling me and telling me that my friend chris was gay. “He’s so far in the closet he’s finding things he forgot he had” I thought it for the longest time too but never said shit and kept our conversations out of the topic of girls or anything like that. So Rory is told me to let him just hang around with Chris. Did it real simplify just by letting him hang around me all day. Chris wasn’t even suspicious... probably because of the area I’m guessing. We’d hang out and I’d hang back and about a month later Chris comes out to me. Which was horrible because Rory called me and told me what was going to happen and I just kept wanting to tell him that everything was cool and nothing was going to change and that Rory was like a brother to me and if he hurt him I’d kick his ass, but first he had to come which took like what seemed like two hours.



I see why it would sound offensive now though and why it would sound like a bad idea. It worked in my little group of friends.
Posted 2006-07-20T22:03:14Z
 
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OH, OK, toffer, that's a different story...  You already had a gay friend, and from what you said, you asked him to hang out with you & your closeted friend, then you backed off little by little, and let the rest work itself out.  I get it.  But that's a very specific situation.  If ralph's in a similar situation, then maybe it would be useful to him, too. 

Posted 2006-07-21T11:12:18Z
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Thanks guys, I really appreciate your help. I think I could have gotten myself into a very embarrassing situation... I'm glad I asked and got your excellent answers.

Posted 2006-07-24T08:08:24Z
 
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Ever upward and onward

Is he a close friend? If so, ask him if he's gay. If not, wait for him to come to you. Before I came out to myself I would have reacted strongly in a negative way to even the closest friends asking me if I was gay. Ask yourself why you want to help him. If you think about it, resolving his sexual identity is something he has to do for himself, and only when he's ready to do it. I'm 53 years old, and wasn't willing to admit to myself that I'm gay until I was 50! I applaud your compassion and caring, but my advice is to just be a friend without worrying about opportunities to help him change. If one presents, then take it and gently ask.

Posted 2006-08-19T17:22:28Z

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