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    To start off let me tell you a bit about my self, I was raised in a very conservative state (Utah) with very religious and closed minded parents. I have been married to my wife for 2 1\2 years and we have been together for 4 years. My sexual background is I have only had sex with 2 woman, my ex wife and my wife now. I have always had a problem with touching my penis (not sure why). I have a problem with erectile dysfunction sometimes but  my main issue is premature ejaculation. The sex life with my 1st wife sucked but on the other hand I didn’t care because I was not physically or emotionally attracted to her, I didn’t have a lot of sexual interactions with her and we were only married 13 months or so. My current wife I have and still am very attracted to sexually and still have a very strong sex drive for. When we were first together we had sex like wild monkey’s every day, and I gradually got better with my premature ejaculation problem, yet it was still a problem. I was able to get her to orgasm most the time with the help of a toy (silver bullet). We also started smoking marijuana on a hourly bases which appeared to help with the PE problem.  We got married had a child and we stopped smoking marijuana and I was put on anti depressants (which my parents pressured me into taking because I didn’t live the conservative life style). I was on anti depressants until a month ago, and my sex drive and PE problems got tremendously bad on anti depressants ( switched through a few of them during the time). I also felt like I was a different person on them where as before I have always been very understanding, patient, caring, and affectionate. My wife and I would always joke about me having a feminine personality. We’ll to make a long story short me and my wife gradually grew distant. About 2 months ago my wife cheated on me 2 times with a guy she went to school with. I found out and I took it emotionally pretty hard. I talked to my wife and decided to stop my anti depressants and have felt like I am mentally my self again and I have my sex drive back. I took her cheating pretty hard but it was because she felt like she had to hide it from me and was not able to approach me about it upfront and talk to me first. My wife has always had the sex drive of a man. Ha-ha. So anyways this whole time I have been trying to work it out with my wife emotionally I have secretly been turned on  by what she did. We have had better sex, and I for some reason started to get the urge to be able to touch my penis during sex with her. My wife has always had a hard time expressing her feelings and thoughts and is passive aggressive. The other night I thought I would just be totally honest with her sexually and told her how I fantasies of watching her have sex with an other man, and joining in. Or even fantasying of her having sex behind my back but then telling me about it and letting it turn me on. I told her and we would roll play or fantasies about it and it would make her super horny and wet and I would be able to jack off for her and last so much longer in bed then before. We’ll the other night we were talking about it and I was trying to explain how I want to do it for real, or at least work up to it, and that I would like it as long as she was willing to be open and honest with me about anything that happened. She told me that she likes fantasying about it but doesn’t want to do it for real. I feel like she is just saying that thinking she would hurt me if she agreed were as in reality it wouldn’t hurt me at all if she was able to be open and honest about it and let it bring us both together sexually. I know she is turned on by the idea but I don’t want to pressure her into it. Why would she cheat on me behind my back and try to hide it when if she was open with me I would like her to do it and it would turn me on? Some things I have read online say that it’s a nice way of her wanting to break up with me, which I am 90% sure is not true. I am a great husband and father and honestly I am damn sexy, sex is probably the area I need the most help in. Well communication is what our relationship needs most but I can only open up and be honest, I cant make her. So what do I do from here? Do I drop the whole wanting to have a 3 sum with her\ let her cheat on me fantasy even though it turns me on? Or do I keep bringing it up to her through fantasies because it turns us both on? Plus one last thing, if she will never actually follow through with the fantasy I do not think that I would really be turned on thinking about it anymore. Where do I go from here?


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 Be honest and be true to yourself.

Hi, The title of your problem is not complete. It should have said, Messed up sexually, mentally and morally. The solution to your problem sexually was not for your wife to cheat on you. The solution to your feeling good sexually is not to have a three-some. Now, your wife does not like the idea of the three-some so this is a problem for you? I just don't understand the way you think. You both are not doing the right things to make your marriage work. Instead, you're adding more problems to the existing problems. How can you solve this problem? I do think that you both should see a marriage counselor and find out if your marriage could be saved. This would require for both of you to return to your marriage with the thought of being monogamous, no other man or woman to come in between you. If you both could not go back to monogamy, then even the best marriage counselor won't be able to help you. You both need to change to make your marriage whole again. Take care.

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I have to agree with DBLady somewhat here.  But my true feeling is that she cheated on you because of your insecurity in youself, not for better sex!  And adding another party will not help.  If you two are intimate and you do have a problem with premature ejaculation, this is a problem that the both of you can work on together.  And it can be fun for both of you!  Have her stimulate you manually (by hand) until your about to explode.  Have her stop!  Let the feeling subside.  Do this repeatedly over a few months, while having normal sex of course, and you will start to feel  a control mechanism within you, but you have to concentrate on it while being stimulated.  The idea behind this is to stimulate you so you can feel the upsurge.  If you are concentrating on it, you will feel muscles contracting.  These are the same muscles as a woman has to control her vagina near her orgasm.  Learning to control these "PC" muscles will help a great deal over the long run, better than any ointments or "fast cures" in a tube.  It will take time but, if you truely care for each other, the time is well spent . 

Posted 2009-11-27T05:43:24Z
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A complex issue here.

First, the desire to see (or hear about) a spouse having sex with another partner is not novel.  Men wanting to see their wives have sex with other women is a very common fantasy and many do take it to reality. In some cases this is motivated by the husbands hope it will involve (or lead to) his involvement (making it a threesome or otherwise gaining access to sex with the other lady). 

However, the fantasy is not limited to that.  Many med DO fantasize about their wife having sex with other men.  Most never tell the wife about those fantasies and not very many take it beyond fantasy or role playing.

Some people are "compersive" --- a term that most people do not know (even most who experience it don't know this term).  Compersion is the enjoyment or happiness one gets from allowing or approving of their partner having sexual pleasures with other people on the basis that they accept that it makes the spouse happy and they want their spouse to be happy.   You sound like you might be compersive; however I am not so sure your motivation to want to consider letting your wife have sex with other men is motivated by your loving and altruistic feelings about wanting to make HER happy (although you did say she wants sex all the time and your sexual experiences are limited to 2 women ... making me wonder if your motive is to see her meet her high libido needs and perhaps recognizing your more limited libido and/or limited experience).   If the only motivation for the appeal of the idea of her having sex with another man is just erotic for you (to turn you on and for your pleasure) and not motivated and focused on her needs and her happiness, then; technically, that is not technically "compersive."   COMPERSION is about caring for what is seen as good for and/or needed by your partner as the primary motivation.  If that is a major reason you want like the notion (to allow your wife that extramarital pleasure and to let her enjoy her sex life to a greater extent that simply sex at home, with you) then it is a compersive (unselfish) motivation -- even if you allow it to also be a "turn on' to you.  And, it is a turn on for many married men, at least as a fantasy and for some who engage in a compersive sexual lifestyle. 

Monogomy is a social dictate and norm (it evolved as a preferance of many early cultures and has been passed down and perpetuated as the "norm" in most .. but not all .. civilizations.  It (along with the bible) was fully embrased by the Puritans who came to and founded America.  Many customs and norms adopted by societies have some rational reason behind them; in the case of monogomy it is, in theory at least, the manner most likely to keep a mate home, permanently ... and that is clearly the ideal for children (if the parents are decent to their children and for them).

While the vast majority of Americans purport to embrace monogmy and take marriage vows and exchange promises of a monogomus relationship, this is not human instinct but a practical and social distate.  [If want to read an objective and good book by two doctors (one M.D., other Ph.D.) on this ... and which examines the general lack of monogomy in the animal world and compares human sexuality, see the book "The Myth of Monogomy").  

Jumping from theory to the factual reality of monogmy, its easy to see that it presents a problem for Americans.  The facts are there.  Over 50% of American marriages now end in divorce; the most common reason given by those who get divorced is "adultery."   Thus, while monogomy is still seen as the "norm" and might be best for the longevity of a marriage with children, this "restriction" is often violated.  Since we have centuries of conditioning to think monogomy is "the right way" (or even the "only way"), it is not surprising that when it fails, it leads to divorce in many cases.  It did not for Bill and Hillary Clinton.  It apparently will for the South Carolina Governor, whose wife has filed for divorce now.  It appears that Tiger Woods wife is going to try and work it out with Tiger and keep the "nuculear family unit" in tact.  With Sen/Presidental candidate Edwards, it seems that they are staying together but she is battling cancer, a higher priority than adultery (I would say).  Apparently the wife of former Attorney General and Governor of New York is sticking by her husband after learning that he (a wealth man) spent tens of thousands (or more) on high class prostitutes for years, until caught and made to step down as Govenor.   Do you see a trend here?  All these men are very powerful, successful and wealthy men in the public eye and with needs to seem to fit the "norm" ... men who can succeed or fail (politicially and financially) by their public images.  And all these men violated the vow to monogomous relationships.  These are just the ones we all see on tv news.  Actually, one recent survey in 07 done of couples married over 20 years, most of those interviewed admitted having an extramarital affair in the first 20 years of marriage (about 63% of wives and about 75% of the husbands ... and research said the gap between women and men who engage in extramarital sex is narrowing with changes in womens roles in society and their presence in the workplace ... creating more opportunities for an affair.)  

Well, that should give you food for thought ... and room to think "out of the box" (to look at more than the "norm").   However, I want to end by cautioning you that sometimes what makes for a wonderful fantasy that can spice things up in the bedroom, when you take it to reality it can become explosive.  It also does not go as you plan or agree or expect. 

You need some serious guidelines and total agreement on all of it ... what you will do and all the conditions and understandings.  But, if one likes the "other side" and one does not, there can be a big problem.  And its not something you can undo and wipe out of memories if you try it and decide it was a bad idea.  Jealously is the major problem with people handling extramarital affairs ... and jealously is one of the worst and most devastating emotions known to mankind (or womenkind).  Talk about this long and hard (no pun intended) and be sure it is the right thing for both of you.  And both of you need to remember and be minful of one other things besides your sexual pleasures.  This marriage, if it fails over going outside the "norm", is not just about the two of you starting over.  It's also about that child you have and the impact it will have on the child's future (which also means on your future, as you will always have to deal with and be around each other to be in your childs life, if you split up).  Marriages are not always for ever (in fact only 50-50 chance these days) but ... CHILDREN and being their parent is FOREVER!  And they have no say in this big decision. 

Rob

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