Gods War ??

Paddster16-

This commandment is directed at premeditated murder.

Lex Talionis, an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth was actually an attempt to control unbridled revenge.

For a Christian, I think that praying is normal and expected. Many non-Christians would act like they were Christian and pray during the ground battles in the WWs. Hence, the term fox-hole Christians.

From a Biblical perspective, killing the enemy before he kills you is not murder. One of the prime goals in war is NOT to die for your country. It is to  make the enemy die for his country.

JayR

From the text itself. The meaning of the Hebrew term is just that.

ratsach (This is a transliteration of the Hebrew); a primitive root; to murder, slay: - killed (1), kills the manslayer (1), manslayer (18), murder (7), murdered (2), murderer (12), murderer shall be put (1), murderers (1), murders (1), put to death (1), slew (1).

The above is taken from Strong's Concordance. The Strong's number for this is H7523. The parenthetical numbers show how many times the different translations show up. Murderer (12) means that ratsach has been translated as murderer 12 times in the NAS.

JayR

Hmmm, I don't entirely agree with JayR. I know you're a good Christian JayR, so wouldn't you agree that God is pretty strait forward with His Commandments.. blunt if you ask me. Exodus 20.

I've heard the different theories on "murder" and "kill", but I see Killing as something we do, and murder as somthing that has been done... and I suppose that could also go vice versa.. but dead is dead, and whether we kill under a contract, with a purpose, or kill because we're angry, one of God's children is dead because of us.. and the truth is that if we wouldn't have been born, that person we killed would still be alive!

God doesn't want us going to war with eachother and killing eachother off for any reason. Jesus said, "A new command I give you, Love one another as I have loved you, so you must love one another. 35; By this all men will know you are my disciples, if you love one another."  Loving eachother never constitutes murder/ killing... by any stretch of the imagination.  Thank God we can be forgiven of everything.  Thank you Lord!!!

We must Pray for our Troops, and anyone else who feels trapped into making that decision to kill another person, even in the name of love.  #5. THOU SHALL NOT KILL.

Folks- this is a personal response to Deborah. I would never intentionlly make a general post so long.

Killing is seen as supported by GOD thru out the OT.

He said to them, "Thus says the LORD, the God of Israel, 'Every man of you put his sword upon his thigh, and go back and forth from gate to gate in the camp, and kill every man his brother, and every man his friend, and every man his neighbor.'" So the sons of Levi did as Moses instructed, and about three thousand men of the people fell that day. Exo 32:27-28

Deborah kills Sisera. Judges

David and Goliath.

There is an appointed time for everything. And there is a time for every event under heaven--A time to give birth and a time to die; A time to plant and a time to uproot what is planted. A time to kill and a time to heal; A time to tear down and a time to build up.-Solomon

Jesus said that He came to fulfill the Law, not abolish it.

But Peter said, "Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit...?  You have not lied to men but to God."  And as he heard these words, Ananias fell down and breathed his last ... . GOD looks like He is OK with this. This in Acts 5.

Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.Heb.13:8. Because Yeshua and Yahweh are one and the same, this speaks to the character of GOD. 

For GOD to be OK with the taking of life at one time frame and not another is not less than being inconsistent. Inconsistency is not an attribute of GOD.

If you wish to speak of Jewish dietary laws, these were implemented for the health of GOD's chosen people and for identification of His people. They still are His chosen people . We have been grafted into His tree. The abrogation of dietary laws was accomplished thru a message given to Peter.

I given some long thot to this, and I called up the clergy and spoke this morning. I do not feel that I have written anything that was not in accordance to what I heard. The commandment applies to my dealings with others. It is purely horizontal. Whether premeditated or in a fit of rage, I am not to kill. "... for he [rulers] is a minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain [the sword was an intrument of capital punishment]: for he is a minister of God, an avenger for wrath to him that doeth evil. Rom 13:4 It is not logical and not Scriptural to extend this beyond my personal dealings with others.

This was today's devotional by Max Lucado. It touched me so I thot that I would share it.

Once there was a man who dared God to speak: Burn the bush like you did for Moses, God. And I will follow. Collapse the walls like you did for Joshua, God. And I will fight. Still the waves like you did on Galilee, God. And I will listen. And so the man sat by a bush, near a wall, close to the sea and waited for God to speak. And God heard the man, so God answered. He sent fire, not for a bush, but for a church. He brought down a wall, not of brick, but of sin. He stilled a storm, not of the sea, but of a soul. And God waited for the man to respond. And he waited … and waited. But because the man was looking at bushes, not hearts; bricks and not lives, seas and not souls, he decided that God had done nothing. Finally he looked to God and asked, Have you lost your power? And God looked at him and said, Have you lost your hearing?

May the LORD bless you and keep you and make His face shine upon you.

JayR