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I know what God said, but what is He saying.

How does this relate to women, when in Scriptures it saids what women could not do like preach, does this not show how God changed the law?


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I like smoke and lightning ~ Heavy metal thunder!

Racin' with the wind ~ And the feelin' that I'm under!

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My issue with what you say has nothing to do with the different roles people play in this world, it is that you have defined them by gender.  I have known so many men that couldn't make a decision to save their lives, couldn't balance a checkbook, and think only of themselves.  And, I have known many women that should never have had children, and almost go crazy being in the home all day.  We should be able to balance our strengths and weakness based on our individual abilities, not the fact that we have a penis or a uterus.  What would be better for a child?  To have a poor example of leadership, fatherhood, and husbandry, or to learn those skills proficiently from someone more able to teach him?  Then that child can teach his children well.   We wouldn't find ourselves in a perpetual cycle of ineptitude.

You say that women want to lead just because they can.  So why should men lead who apparently cannot?  Because they are men??  I am confused about where you are getting the impression that I want to lead?  If I am in a situation where my leadership would benefit the group, then yes, I will take on that responsibility, but I don't see myself as a leader.  As a matter of fact, at no point in any of my writing was I referring to myself.  I take on whatever role helps whatever situation I am in.  I can listen and nurture, and I can say no to my kids and my husband if necessary.  I think of myself as a cog on a gear.  I go wherever I must to keep the wheel turning.

 

So I guess I just cannot accept that it is the man's natural right and ability to lead.  You earn your right to lead, and you earn that right based on your abilities.  Each person ~ male or female.

Oh, and I don't offend easily.  I love a good discussion, so bring it on!


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" I refuse to have a Battle of Wits with an unarmed person".

"Whomsoever Much is Given, of him Much More shall be Required”

Westley,

I have waited some time before deciding to respond to your statements. There are a variety of Flaws in your statement, that my flesh would love to disect, but would rather continue that debate privately at my direct email if you choose.

Opinions are 1 thing and we all have them. i can respect yours. Biblical fact and hermeneutics would only be argued by someone who doesn't understand either.

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" I refuse to have a Battle of Wits with an unarmed person".

"Whomsoever Much is Given, of him Much More shall be Required”

LOL, I love it. That's what I'm talking about!!!

I think sometimes when we talk and even right, we tend to read between the lines and I am sorry if I have done so inaccurately. It is what i get paid to do and might be defined as a Spiritual Gift not being used in its proper place.

With that said, I agree with most of what you say, but we will have to disagree on this main point. Because of nature and how GOD designed man & women, we were built to serve different roles. The challenge is for each gender to embrace their roles and become stronger where they are weak. Like my wife & I, she worked as a Cash Manager, so i assumed that she could balance a checkbook. WRONG. Needless to say, I had to assume that role off and on until she learned & understood how importantly that responsibility was. Now she handles both personal & business. She still makes mistakes, but so do I. Where I am weak, she is strong and vice versa. Nonetheless, there is a leadership role, a headship role, a protector role, a nurturer role, a Ying & Yang role that women and men are naturally designed to do. God has challenged us to stay within our roles, which is the reason why our society is what it is.

It will come back to husbands & wives not understanding, embracing and learning their roles selflessly. It will come down to a man who rules as a dictator, versus a humble, diligent & selfless leader. It will come down to a man, not willing to assume the burden of being the head, dealing with the success & failure of ones family. It will come down to a women who believes that the guidance she gives her children & the respect she has for her husband will lay the ground work for generations to come. This is not to say that every woman should have children and every man should be fathers. I don not that every man & women should marry. Because of our upbringing and limited knowledge in both subjects (Marriage & Child rearing), the vast majority of the worlds population is not equipped to do either. THAT IS THE PAINFUL TRUTH. We have no problem getting a degree to make money, but how much time do we spend in learning how the LOVE Selflessly. How many people take a course on child rearing before they have children? How many people take classes on being a spouse, before they get married? How many people take a Bible study class that will equip both men & women to effectively do both???

Paul in the New Testament (paraphrasing here) states that it is good not to be married, but it is better to be married then to burn in your desires and be constantly tempted to sin. The problem is that most people don't understand that. Our society has us programmed and our upbringing might dictate that we need to educate ourselves before we take on this responsibility. However, we get married, have kids and don't understand what our roles are, which will create confusion & divisiveness.

I do a dang good job at showing & showering physical Love to my 3 children. Fortunately, the men in our family openly express Love verbally & through touch. There was a time, when my father was both father & mother and it made me a real man. But I see & understand that my kids will steal gravitate to mommy when they've got a Boo-Boo. Naturally, I cannot breast feed and can't have the natural connection that all children & species have with the mother. As a Father, I have to work at being popular in my family. But I also most be the disciplinarian. My wife can tell my children 12 times to do something and I only have to tell them once.

God has given us these roles, which at times we never fully embrace. Nonetheless, we must educate ourselves & embrace these roles for the benefit of others (our spouses & children).

I hope that explains my viewpoint and why my opinions on this matter are strong. We will probably have to agree to disagree, but I am comfortable that a mustard seed has been planted.

God Bless you and your family. Much success.


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Be Blessed.

Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity (Love), I am become as a sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vauneth not itself, is not puffed up, Doth not behave itself unseemly, seekth not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in truth; Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. Charity never faileth.

And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is (Love) charity.  

Debra,

God is the same yesterday, today and forever more. He does not change. Below I have given some verses from God's word. You can draw your own conclusions from the scriptures. If you know of any other scriptures that say anything different please let me know.

I Timothy 2:11-14  Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor usurp authority over the man, but be in silence. For Adam was first formed , then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in transgression.

I Timothy 3:1-5  This is a true saying , If a man desire the office of bishop, he desireth a good work. A Bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behavior, given to hospitality, apt to teach; Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with gravity; (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?).

I Corinthians 14:35-37 Let your women keep silence in the churches; for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home; for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only? If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge, that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord

I Corinthians 14:40  Let all things be done decently and in order.

Malachi 3:6 For I am the Lord, I change not;

Titus 1:2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

 

Be Blessed


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AMBASSADOR FOR YHWH, THAT'S THE HEAVENLY FATHERS TRUE NAME TIL THIS DAY PEOPLE CAN'T PRONOUNCE IT. not even me, read your encyclopedia his name is in it. i'm here to help people find the one and only true Almighty GOD, we want be around for long . AND I DO NOT BELONG TO ANY ORGINAZATION< AND DON"T BELIEVE IN ALL THESE MAN MADE RELIGIONs.

what law because the law never changed, women neec to stop taking on the role as a man


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