Where's God when He's needed? Once upon a time, there was a discussion concerning God, and how He was with a believer all the time. She gave God the credit for getting her to work and back home, safely. She even described how God was present when she was shopping, and just couldn't find the right dress, the right size, the right color, when suddenly, there it would be on the rack. God's was with her.
God is with her in traffic, in the shopping malls, but where is God when
Is God more concerned with rush hour traffic and shopping for dresses than he is for the starving?
Are you an atheist?
Today's newspaper story from AP:
A Record Billion go Hungry Worldwide, U.N. Report Says
.....it's actually a world emergency
.....we know a child dies every six seconds of malnutrition
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Where is God when He's needed? Or is it God's job? If not God's job, why isn't it God's job?
God is everywhere. Maybe you only look for him when your in trouble? God is NEVER going to make the world perfect, or the people perfect. That is up to each person, you choose how you act and then you will be judged by the way you acted. Each person is a free will. God made the Garden of Eden for Adam,( and that woman who screwed everything up) Eve. And then they didn't listen to God even in a perfect world. People are their own worst problem. So don't blame God for the condition of things and expect him to come down and slap your hand if you do wrong.
Eldon wrote: God is everywhere.
DidYouKnow writes: Then, as a child dies every five seconds from starvation, God is there, watching.....
Eldon wrote: Maybe you only look for him when your in trouble?
DidYouKnow writes: That would be a good time, wouldn't it, for the children who die, one every five seconds from starvation, to look for help. If God is truly everywhere, as you say, then why doesn't he pitch in and help out the starving.
Eldon wrote: God is NEVER going to make the world perfect, or the people perfect.
DidYouKnow writes: One would think that a 'perfect' God would create perfection, at minimum. If not perfection, at least be able or willing help out starving children. Either He doesn't want to, or He is unable to. There are no other reasons.
Eldon wrote: That is up to each person, you choose how you act and then you will be judged by the way you acted. Each person is a free will.
DidYouKNow writes: What's this have to do with a child who is starving? Did that child exercise free will to starve to death? Your "free will" argument doesn't make sense.
Eldon wrote: God made the Garden of Eden for Adam,( and that woman who screwed everything up) Eve.
DidYouKnow writes: Yep, it was the woman's fault, wasn't it? Even though she had no way to know right from wrong, she was the one who sinned, the one who made all the problems, the reason you are a sinner. Yep, and because she didn't know right from wrong, and ate a mythical fruit, every person ever born is guilty of what she did. Yep, yep, yep....
Eldon wrote: And then they didn't listen to God even in a perfect world.
DidYouKnow writes: Then the world wasn't perfect, was it? The perfect God made imperfect people, the same way he created Satan, also imperfect. What made a perfect God create imperfections? Can a perfect God even create imperfections?
Eldon wrote: People are their own worst problem. So don't blame God for the condition of things and expect him to come down and slap your hand if you do wrong.
DidYouKNow writes: People were (according to your story) created by God. Who's responsible? They? Or the Creator?
And remember, that most Christians claim that God is all-knowing. In other words, God already knew before he created Satan, Adam and Eve, what they would do. God knew Eve would eat the fruit; knew He would curse them; knew that Satan would be a successful rival; knew, up the road, that He would drown hundreds of thousands of people, young and old, babies and fetuses. God knew all of this, but created it all, anyway..... Think about that and try to explain why any kind of sound mind would do that kind of thing, knowing ALL beforehand.
GYK, Yes, I'm a Christian. The question you bring up is probably the best argument against the existence of God, especially an all-powerful, loving one. I will not try to answer you since others have done so before me. From the tone of your rebuttals I can see you are quite set in your beliefs.
However, you say you are an agnostic, that's fine. It means you do not know. I hope someday you will know.
God bless.
Where is God?
Because the evangelist kind of Christianity in Africa, this is what is going on in Nigeria (although it's widespread in Africa):
Remember when the preacher from Africa was the visiting minister in the church where Sarah Palin was a member, and she went up to the stage area, where he waited to pray over her and bless her. In the prayer was an entreaty to God to keep Palin safe from the spell of "witches." This preacher was famous in Africa because he has driven a "witch" out of a village.
Now, fasttrack to Nigeria:
....a nine year old little boy lies on a bloodstained hospital sheet crawling with ants. He stares at the dirty wall. He is blind. His family pastor accused him of being a witch, and his father then forced acid down the little boy's throat as an exorcism, burning away is face and eyes. A month later, the little boy died.
.....because these Christian churches are evangelistic, the Bible is clear: "THOU SHALT NOT SUFFER A WITCH TO LIVE!" And because there has been a big increase in evangelistic faith, "witchcraft" has become a strident evil to subdue. The children, accused of being witches have been burned alive, mutilated in sundry ways, and murdered. Tens of thousands have been targeted throughout Africa. Families of those children accused of witchcraft also abandoned them....or torture them, themselves. One mother tried to saw off the top of her daughter's skull. A father drove a nail in his daughter's head. Another child was made to eat cement, then set on fire as the pastor's wife cheered the scene on.
So, where is God?
This is not a new story, of course. Christianity has a history of killing innocent people. Tens of thousands not so long ago were hunted down and burned at stakes, accused of being witches, or demons, or possessed. And this was done because of the Biblical blueprint, which decidedly and explicitly states that there ARE witches and demon possessed people. It is the Bible's teachings.
Christianity has, indeed, come to Africa, courtesy of the countless evangelist styles and the murder of children, among so many other negatives aspects, is the result.
But the TRUE Christian, the one who literally believes that the Bible is inerrant can only cheer and applaud that the Nigerians and other Africans are busy doing God's work and obeying his commands. Witches must be killed, says God.
So, where is GOD? He can be nowhere else but watching, cheering and applauding the concerted effort to fight the dark forces of evil, demonstrated in the small bodies of children. God is on the side of light, goodness, mercy, and justice. Kill those witches, says God.
Do not group things in life together, see them as individual.
Your last paragraph sums up how you feel. God is where the need is not recognized by the mortal. If we see it for our self, thenwe are the ones God wants to fix it. And the ones who care about the traffic and dresses, are in fact the one that should be doing the work of God. The reality is Choice and yours made your list.
Jay
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