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Ezekial Emanuel ....The New Rudolph Hess In Charge Of YOUR Health Care?

The person who is perhaps going to end up with the most to say about your “allocation” of health resources if Obamacare passes is Dr. Ezekial Emanuel.  Yes, that Emanuel, Raum’s brother.  He is also a health-policy advisor in the Office of Management and Budget.

There’s something important you should know about him.  I will provide several links to more information on him, but I want to focus on his “complete lives system ” which he has written about as recently as January 2009, in The Lancet , a well-known and respected medical journal.

The paper appearing in The Lancet is titled “Principles for allocation of scarce medical interventions ” and discusses existing methods for determining who gets priority in allocation of limited and scarce medical resources, such as, who gets an organ, who gets the ICU bed, and who gets a vaccine which may be in limited supply.  He discusses why each of these are flawed for various reasons, and then proceeds to present his own alternative system–the complete lives system.

Dr. Emanuel’s complete lives system “prioritizes young people who have not yet lived a complete life.. ” and would be unlikely to without intervention.  Doesn’t sound too bad, does it?  Makes some sense, maybe?

Just wait.

He goes on.

Adolescents have received substantial education and parental care, investments that will be wasted without a complete life.  Infants, by contrast, have not yet received these investments.  Similarly, adolescence brings with it a developed personality capable of forming and valuing long-term plans whose fulfillment requires a complete life.

Emanuel then quotes a legal philosopher Ronald Dworkin, who said, “It is terrible when an infant dies, but worse, most people think, when a three-year-old child dies, and worse still when an adolescent does.”  Emanuel comments that this argument is supported by empirical surveys.

So what?!  Some legal philosopher’s statement is not something to base medical decisions on.

We never know what any individual human is here for, what God’s plan is for that person, regardless of their age.

Besides all that, what “empirical surveys?”  Who did they survey?

Tell that to the first-time mother of a six-month-old who dies of SIDS.

So, in his system a teenager or young adult is more valuable, more worthy of receiving medical resources ( which will be in shorter supply) than infants or younger children.  I read the entire article, and can summarize it in six words:  elderly and infants are least important .

When implemented, the complete lives system produces a priority curve on which individuals aged between roughly 15 and 40 get the most substantial chance, whereas the youngest and the oldest get chances that are attenuated .”

That means reduced.  But doesn’t “attenuated” sound so much better.

During his paragraphs which point out the advantages to his system over those currently used by Organ Sharing Networks and others, he touts his complete lives system as being “least vulnerable to corruption.  Age can be established quickly and accurately from identity documents.

Those pesky identity documents.

In his closing section he addresses objections that might be raised to his system.

The first objection that he expects would be raised would be charges of “ageism.”  His answer?

Treating 65-year-olds differently because of stereotypes or falsehoods would be ageist; treating them differently because they have already had more life-years is not .”

Well, good.  I’m glad he cleared that up.

These are the words of Dr. Ezekial Emanuel, brother to Raum, and special health-care policy advisor in Obama’s administration.  My suspicion?  He has been officially given a low-key position and title, but in actuality, is much more central than we know.  Again, that is only my opinion.

Remember:  15 to 40 years of age.  That’s the magic spot.

Guess I’m out of luck.  As are my parents, my siblings, most of my friends, and all the members of AARP.

Dr. Emanuel’s article in The Lancet

Here’s a great blog post from Freedom Eden , with additional links.  Dr. Emanuel has also stated that he thinks doctors take the Hippocratic Oath too seriously , and must change their way of thinking about their patients, and think more about social justice.  [Hat tip to Gateway Pundit]

Here’s a terrific post on a great blog I just found.  Rosita the Prole writes beautifully and has great information.  Be sure to read her “about me” page; she tells an enchanting American tale.


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The "little people" are just pawns for those in charge. If those in charge have more money invested in them, they want a "Return On  Investment" (ROI in the financial world).  Once somebody isn't giving  a big enough  ROI, as when old, it's more to  the  interest of those in charge to knock off those  old  ones, give their assets to a younger person, and if the  younger person has been  "trained" well, they'll spend all that money on  things that will make those in charge richer.

There's a term they use for the  "common folk". Though I don't know it exactly, it's something  like "scummy vermine".

Posted 2009-08-06T02:33:53Z
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Mat. 6:33 "Seek Ye First the Kingdom of God and All these things Shall Be Added to You!!!

I'm trying to understand the "Silence" from AARP on this subject. About a year before the Election, AARP decided to become "Political" & jumped on the Obummer band Wagon. Now, the "Hand Writting is on the Wall" & they are Silent, no Yea or Nay??? Virtually the same can be said about the Medical Profession, WHY??? I can't believe the Administration can project such "Fear" into these "Groups"??? If they don't "Speak Out" & this gets through, Drs. will "Jump Ship" & become our "Plumbers"!!! It would be "SLAVERY" for them, FORCED to work for what the Govt. Dictates & lose Total Control of Patient Treatments & Work Loads!!!   John

Posted 2009-08-06T02:44:18Z
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You are trying to find conspiracy where there is none. As a parent, I would prioritize my childs health and care over mine, guess what I would prioritize my children over my 70 yr old parents or my 91 year old grandma, society has very often prioritized the health of the youth over the old and the sick. That is nothing new. Our current health care system prioritizes the wealthy over everyone else which to me is immoral and meddling. Nature prioritizes the young and healthy, so should we.

You are just trying to scare old people by claiming the new nazi is a jew? The new Hess is someone named Emmanuel?  LOL   I swear conservatives and the insurance companies will go to the craziest lengths to demonize any effort of putting the patient above the profits of the insurance companies. This is hilarious.

Posted 2009-08-07T13:38:16Z
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Mat. 6:33 "Seek Ye First the Kingdom of God and All these things Shall Be Added to You!!!

"You are trying to find conspiracy where there is none. As a parent, I would prioritize my childs health and care over mine, guess what I would prioritize my children over my 70 yr old parents or my 91 year old grandma, society has very often prioritized the health of the youth over the old and the sick. That is nothing new. Our current health care system prioritizes the wealthy over everyone else which to me is immoral and meddling. Nature prioritizes the young and healthy, so should we."

Ok, so lets set an "Extincion Age" at say 45 shall we? So when U turn 45, U go to an "Extermination Center" sign Ur Life Away" & they put U down as a dog. Ur good with that right??? No? Oh, yeah, Ur not "Sick" & Ur kid Graduates next year, so no need to "Do U" is there? But wait..."Old Timers Runs in Ur Family" and there's "NO Cure"...."YET"??? And hey!!! Wait a Minute U can Pay for Treatment!!! Ur not like THEM!!! RIGHT!!! Fact is (if U would really tell the TRUTH!!!) NO ONE wants to Die OR give CONTROL OF THEIR LIVES TO ANYONE ELSE!!! Example, Very few Accept Christ because it means giving HIM CONTROL of Ur LIFE!!! Look, if U Made the Money why should Government tell U how to Spend it????????? EVERYTHING GOVERNMENT TOUCHES GETS SCREWED UP!!! To Wit I offer SOCIAL SECURITY!!! It was set up as a "VOLUNTARY" contribution for Retirement!!! Now as soon as U are BORN U are given a "NUMBER" INTO SLAVERY!!! And U don't even Know it!!! Social Security was originally put into a "Special Account" not the "General Fund" where it earned a "SURPLUS"!!! Well, we can't have that said the "Cigar Diddler", we will take it out & pay it back with Intrest when the "Economy Rebounds". Guess what??? NO PAYBACK, NO INTREST, NO ECONOMIC REBOUND....ONLY A BROKEN SOCIAL SECURITY!!!!!   John

Posted 2009-08-07T18:24:03Z
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So you need to learn the word prioritize apparently. So I will put it this way,  find for me one parent who wouldn't save the lives of their child over their own??  If me and my kids were sick and I only had enough medicine for either them or me or my husband, i would save the medicine for my kids.

I have heard conservatives and liberals alike talk about how our healthcare system is backwards.   We currently put our priorities on the old and that we need to switch it and put our financial priorities on the young and the government needs to be more like families cause that is what families do.  

What Mr. Emmanuel is talking about is talked about by lots and lots of politcians of all ilks, ages, and political persuasions, it is not a conspiracy it is very main stream and it needs to be talked about. The lobbyists for seniors work over the congress and have made sure we have seniors prioritized and we need reform cause that needs to change. We currently put the health of seniors ahead of everyone else.

Posted 2009-08-07T21:02:11Z
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What cave have you been in??  AARP has always been political. One of the strongest if not THE strongest lobbyest for seniors. They also ALWAYS endorce democrats.

I think this is all so interesting and can't wait to see where it ends up. The republicans are the party of no, and the dems are the party of the young, progressive, college educated ready to wipe the slate clean and start over new OR the old, blue collar, blue dog, union dems AND those two sides of the dems are fighting it out.

May the progressives win.

Posted 2009-08-07T21:16:52Z
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Emanuel's words speak volumes as to what his beliefs are. And, this bill is nothing more than euthanasia at both ends of the life cycle! And, if you support that you are what you are!

And trying to link conservatives to insurance companies? Nice talking point, won't work! These people are not only conservatives, they are democrats and if you look at the polls liberal, your loosing the independents!

A politician has NO place in deciding who lives or dies,PERIOD! That is up to GOD and GOD alone! I hope your grandmother lives a long and healthy life, before Obama care would make her suffer!

MRD

Posted 2009-08-07T23:32:10Z
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Mat. 6:33 "Seek Ye First the Kingdom of God and All these things Shall Be Added to You!!!

"If me and my kids were sick and I only had enough medicine for either them or me or my husband, i would save the medicine for my kids."

Right over Ur Head!!! I Swear U don't get it!!! If this Passes "U CAN'T MAKE THAT CHOICE"!!! Some Buearocrat makes it for U!!!

"We currently put the health of seniors ahead of everyone else."

Not the ILLEGAL ALIENS!!! WAKE UP, the ILLEGAL ALIENS have BANKRUPT CALIFORNIA & are working on Arizona, New Mexico & Texas!!!   John

Posted 2009-08-08T00:43:35Z
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