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Dems: Economic Stimulus NOW! Obama: Not So Fast?

Democratic leaders are increasingly concerned that they won't be able to offer an economic stimulus package for congressional debate until late January because they haven't received a plan from President-elect Barack Obama's transition team.

Democrats initially had hoped to unveil details of the economic recovery package this week and to pass it by Inauguration Day, Jan. 20, so it would be ready for Mr. Obama's signature soon after his swearing-in. Estimates are that the plan will call for spending as much as $850 billion over two years.

"The weak economy demands quick action, and that is our intention," House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D., Md.) said in an interview Tuesday. "But significant work remains to be done. We need to do this right and make wise investments, plus members and the public need time to review it. So the timing very well may slip."

Rep. David Obey (D., Wis.), chairman of the House Appropriations Committee, added, "I had been hoping that the timetable would be this week" for having a proposal in hand.

But Mr. Obey said Mr. Obama's team, which recently met with congressional committee leaders, is still determining the details of the package it wants.

"The Obama people are still trying to chew through all of that, to decide what they think works and what doesn't at this stage," Mr. Obey said.

Once Mr. Obama's aides come up with a package, he added, congressional Democrats will have to negotiate with them over the details.

"First we've got to have some signals called by Obama," Mr. Obey said. "It's hard to negotiate with somebody if the other party hasn't decided what they want out of the negotiations."

Mr. Obey conceded that Mr. Obama's team is having to absorb an enormous amount of information in a limited time. "I know the people involved, and they are very talented people. And you will not find anybody who works harder than they do," he said.

Stephanie Cutter, a spokeswoman for Mr. Obama's transition team, said, "We're making progress on the plan, and will continue to work with members of Congress to enact it as soon as possible."

Mr. Obama himself has never laid down a timetable for the economic recovery plan. And while an Obama proposal hasn't gone to Capitol Hill, officials from the transition team have been in regular contact with congressional leaders to hash out various aspects of the stimulus plan.

One of the Democrats' concerns is that when the Obama team does deliver a plan, it might not contain much detail. If it is a broad overview, congressional leaders will have to scramble to flesh it out into a workable piece of legislation.

Democratic leaders plan to bring the package to the House floor without passing it through committees, as is the usual practice.

"Waiting for a long congressional process -- everybody that I've talked to says that's not an acceptable alternative," said Mr. Hoyer. "I don't think we can afford to do that."

Republicans, meanwhile, are cautioning that Congress shouldn't rush into such a huge spending commitment without time for debate and for crafting safeguards to assure the money is well spent. And Republicans have enough votes in the Senate to slow action.

Also Tuesday, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi named Douglas W. Elmendorf to head the Congressional Budget Office. Mr. Elmendorf has worked previously at the CBO, as well as the Treasury Department, the Federal Reserve and the White House Council of Economic Advisers


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  Reason 1: The Stimulus Will Not Work
Our history is replete with examples of “stimulus” spending failing to move our economy toward prosperity—Bush just tried it, Ford tried it. Even Christina Romer, Obama’s Chair of the Council of Economic Advisers agrees. Romer wrote in a study, “Our estimates suggest that fiscal actions contributed only moderately to recoveries.” The New Deal didn’t end the Great Depression and Obama’s stimulus package won’t end this recession. In fact, two UCLA economists published a study in 2004 finding FDR’s similar New Deal policies prolonged the Great Depression by seven years.
It fails because you don’t increase economic output by taking a dollar from one person and giving to another. The idea of “stimulus” spending falls for the “ broken window fallacy”—the allure of what is seen versus what is not seen. We will see the jobs created by the government spending. What we won’t see are the jobs lost because consumers have less money to spend because the government got the money its spending from us—the only place it can get money. Reason 2: The Stimulus follows the same plan that ruined Japan’s economy
Japan, after a dramatic market crash and a drop in real estate prices responded with government spending not unlike what the US Congress is considering today. In fact, they had 10 stimulus bills between 1992 and 2000, spending billions on infrastructure construction, building bridges, roads, and airports as well as pouring money into biotech and telecommunications. While many countries enjoyed booming economies and falling unemployment during this time, Japan had a lost decade, seeing its unemployment more than double. They spent double the US level of GDP on infrastructure, and now have a lousy economy and have one of the highest national debts in the world.
After 10 stimulus packages, Japan has gone from having the second biggest economy in the world by a long shot, to being well behind the new number two, China, and is close to falling behind India. We do not want to follow their lead. Reason 3: The Stimulus is full of Wasteful Projects
While we were told the stimulus bill would focus on rebuilding America’s infrastructure—mainly the roads and bridges—only 5% of the current bill goes to such projects. The rest of the bill goes to pet projects like:

  • $400,000,000.00 for researching sexually transmitted diseases
  • $200,000,000.00 to force the military to buy environmentally-friendly electric cars
  • $34,000,000.00 to renovate the Department of Commerce headquarters
  • $75,000,000.00 for a program to end smoking which, if successful will bankrupt the State Children’s Health Program Democrats are about to pass (SCHIP) that is paid for by cigarette taxes
  • $650,000,000.00 for digital TV coupons
  • $50,000,000.00 for the National Endowment for the Arts

These programs are just the 2008 version of the “ midnight basketball” program that derailed Bill Clinton’s attempt to ram through a “stimulus” bill in 1992. Despite that bill failing, the economy quickly recovered and the economic boom of the 1990s began.

Reason 4: The Government Can’t Afford the StimulusReason 5: We Can’t afford the StimulusReason 6: The Stimulus is Bigger Than the Economic Output of Most CountriesReason 7: Central Planning like the Stimulus Doesn’t Work, Ask the USSRReason 8: Remember the $750 Billion Bailout from this Fall?Reason 9: This Money Doesn’t Grow on Trees

President Bush pushed the government deep into a $1.2 trillion deficit this year, the third time he has set a record for biggest deficit ever, and President Obama’s stimulus bill follows his lead, piling on more debt. The deficit in 2008 amounted to about 8 percent of GDP. The entire debt is about 35 percent of GDP.

Even for those who do still believe in Keynesianism, it is important to remember his theory didn’t start with the government already over a trillion dollars in the hole, he was generally operating from balanced budgets.

How much is $825 billion? The Heritage Foundationhas calculated that that comes to over $10,000 per American family. To further put that in context, on average, families annually spend:

  • $2,230 on apparel and services
  • $3,595 on health care
  • $4,322 on food at home
  • $11,657 on shelter

If this bill were a country, it’d be the 15th largest country in world, ranking between Australia and Mexico. It is bigger than the economies of Saudi Arabia and Iran combined. In fact, the $875 billion it calls for is more than all the cash in the United States.

If centrally planned government spending on a grand scale produced economic growth, the Soviet Union would have won the Cold War. If government spending on a grand scale produced economic growth we would be in the middle of the Bush Boom right now. It doesn’t. Working, saving, and investing leads to economic output and increases in productivity lead to growth.

As economics professor Steven Horwitz said, “The stimulus plans assume consumption is the source of growth. It is not. It is the consequence of said growth.”

It was just a couple months ago when we were told if we would just quickly hand over $750 billion to the Treasury Secretary to bailout his friends on Wall Street, he would make the economy all better. That didn’t work, and neither will an additional $825 billion.

And this has nothing to do with paper money being made of cotton and linen. The only way the government gets money is through taxing, borrowing, or printing—that is, it has to take it out of the economy in order to put it back into the economy. If government borrows the money for the stimulus, then it will either have to print money later or raise taxes to pay it back. If it raises taxes to pay for the stimulus, it will, in effect, be robbing Peter to pay Paul – probably with interest. If it prints the money, inflation decreases the value of the dollar for every American – robbing Paul to pay Paul.

 

Reason 10: Economists do NOT Agree this is a Good Idea

No matter how many times supporters of the bill say it, economists do not all agree this bill is a good idea. In fact, hundreds of economists have come out against it, including Noble Laureates, who signed a letter the Cato Institute ran as a full page ad in several major newspapers opposing the stimulus. Still more economists submitted statements to the US House of Representatives opposing the stimulus proposal.

 

 
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  Reason 1: The Stimulus Will Not Work
Our history is replete with examples of “stimulus” spending failing to move our economy toward prosperity—Bush just tried it, Ford tried it. Even Christina Romer, Obama’s Chair of the Council of Economic Advisers agrees. Romer wrote in a study, “Our estimates suggest that fiscal actions contributed only moderately to recoveries.” The New Deal didn’t end the Great Depression and Obama’s stimulus package won’t end this recession. In fact, two UCLA economists published a study in 2004 finding FDR’s similar New Deal policies prolonged the Great Depression by seven years.
It fails because you don’t increase economic output by taking a dollar from one person and giving to another. The idea of “stimulus” spending falls for the “ broken window fallacy”—the allure of what is seen versus what is not seen. We will see the jobs created by the government spending. What we won’t see are the jobs lost because consumers have less money to spend because the government got the money its spending from us—the only place it can get money. Reason 2: The Stimulus follows the same plan that ruined Japan’s economy
Japan, after a dramatic market crash and a drop in real estate prices responded with government spending not unlike what the US Congress is considering today. In fact, they had 10 stimulus bills between 1992 and 2000, spending billions on infrastructure construction, building bridges, roads, and airports as well as pouring money into biotech and telecommunications. While many countries enjoyed booming economies and falling unemployment during this time, Japan had a lost decade, seeing its unemployment more than double. They spent double the US level of GDP on infrastructure, and now have a lousy economy and have one of the highest national debts in the world.
After 10 stimulus packages, Japan has gone from having the second biggest economy in the world by a long shot, to being well behind the new number two, China, and is close to falling behind India. We do not want to follow their lead. Reason 3: The Stimulus is full of Wasteful Projects
While we were told the stimulus bill would focus on rebuilding America’s infrastructure—mainly the roads and bridges—only 5% of the current bill goes to such projects. The rest of the bill goes to pet projects like:

  • $400,000,000.00 for researching sexually transmitted diseases
  • $200,000,000.00 to force the military to buy environmentally-friendly electric cars
  • $34,000,000.00 to renovate the Department of Commerce headquarters
  • $75,000,000.00 for a program to end smoking which, if successful will bankrupt the State Children’s Health Program Democrats are about to pass (SCHIP) that is paid for by cigarette taxes
  • $650,000,000.00 for digital TV coupons
  • $50,000,000.00 for the National Endowment for the Arts

These programs are just the 2008 version of the “ midnight basketball” program that derailed Bill Clinton’s attempt to ram through a “stimulus” bill in 1992. Despite that bill failing, the economy quickly recovered and the economic boom of the 1990s began.

Reason 4: The Government Can’t Afford the StimulusReason 5: We Can’t afford the StimulusReason 6: The Stimulus is Bigger Than the Economic Output of Most CountriesReason 7: Central Planning like the Stimulus Doesn’t Work, Ask the USSRReason 8: Remember the $750 Billion Bailout from this Fall?Reason 9: This Money Doesn’t Grow on Trees

President Bush pushed the government deep into a $1.2 trillion deficit this year, the third time he has set a record for biggest deficit ever, and President Obama’s stimulus bill follows his lead, piling on more debt. The deficit in 2008 amounted to about 8 percent of GDP. The entire debt is about 35 percent of GDP.

Even for those who do still believe in Keynesianism, it is important to remember his theory didn’t start with the government already over a trillion dollars in the hole, he was generally operating from balanced budgets.

How much is $825 billion? The Heritage Foundationhas calculated that that comes to over $10,000 per American family. To further put that in context, on average, families annually spend:

  • $2,230 on apparel and services
  • $3,595 on health care
  • $4,322 on food at home
  • $11,657 on shelter

If this bill were a country, it’d be the 15th largest country in world, ranking between Australia and Mexico. It is bigger than the economies of Saudi Arabia and Iran combined. In fact, the $875 billion it calls for is more than all the cash in the United States.

If centrally planned government spending on a grand scale produced economic growth, the Soviet Union would have won the Cold War. If government spending on a grand scale produced economic growth we would be in the middle of the Bush Boom right now. It doesn’t. Working, saving, and investing leads to economic output and increases in productivity lead to growth.

As economics professor Steven Horwitz said, “The stimulus plans assume consumption is the source of growth. It is not. It is the consequence of said growth.”

It was just a couple months ago when we were told if we would just quickly hand over $750 billion to the Treasury Secretary to bailout his friends on Wall Street, he would make the economy all better. That didn’t work, and neither will an additional $825 billion.

And this has nothing to do with paper money being made of cotton and linen. The only way the government gets money is through taxing, borrowing, or printing—that is, it has to take it out of the economy in order to put it back into the economy. If government borrows the money for the stimulus, then it will either have to print money later or raise taxes to pay it back. If it raises taxes to pay for the stimulus, it will, in effect, be robbing Peter to pay Paul – probably with interest. If it prints the money, inflation decreases the value of the dollar for every American – robbing Paul to pay Paul.

 

Reason 10: Economists do NOT Agree this is a Good Idea

No matter how many times supporters of the bill say it, economists do not all agree this bill is a good idea. In fact, hundreds of economists have come out against it, including Noble Laureates, who signed a letter the Cato Institute ran as a full page ad in several major newspapers opposing the stimulus. Still more economists submitted statements to the US House of Representatives opposing the stimulus proposal.

 

 
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1 Trillion dollars

1 dollars bills    1.1 million tons

                       22 billion pounds

100 dollar bills  11 thousands tons 

                      2.2 million pounds

If you stacked a trillion $1 bills (US) on top of each other, you'd form a stack that reached a quarter of the way to the moon --the stack would be nearly 70,000 miles high or three times  around the equator

 A dollar bill's dimensions are about 2.6" x 6.1" x .0043"

$253 million to cover a one-mile by one-mile square.

So $1 trillion in one-dollar bills would cover an area of about 3,857 square miles  

$1trillion in one-dollar bills (if packed perfectly) would fill a volume of about            40 million cubic feet

Minneapolis sports stadium Metrodome Interior volume is 60 million cubic feet

will fill the Metrodome 2/3 full

                                                                                   

                                                                               


 

 
1358 helpful answers

Merry X'mas To All http://foxtrotters.tripod.com/reindeer.gif

 

1 Trillion dollars

1 dollars bills    1.1 million tons

                       22 billion pounds

100 dollar bills  11 thousands tons 

                      2.2 million pounds

If you stacked a trillion $1 bills (US) on top of each other, you'd form a stack that reached a quarter of the way to the moon --the stack would be nearly 70,000 miles high or three times  around the equator

 A dollar bill's dimensions are about 2.6" x 6.1" x .0043"

$253 million to cover a one-mile by one-mile square.

So $1 trillion in one-dollar bills would cover an area of about 3,857 square miles  

$1trillion in one-dollar bills (if packed perfectly) would fill a volume of about            40 million cubic feet

Minneapolis sports stadium Metrodome Interior volume is 60 million cubic feet

will fill the Metrodome 2/3 full

                                                                                   

                                                                               


 

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